IRC office hours/Office hours 2013-11-13b

[18:01:03] <Lydia_WMDE> hey everyone!

[18:01:14] <Lydia_WMDE> who's here for the office hour?

[18:01:15] <aude> it's dennyvrandecic

[18:01:16] <aude> !

[18:01:17] <wm-bot> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug?id=$1

[18:01:19] <DanielK_WMDE> hey dennyvrandecic!

[18:01:20] <Vogone> addshore: k, later

[18:01:22] <aude> there's the bot

[18:01:42] <dennyvrandecic> hey

[18:01:53] <dennyvrandecic> so early…

[18:02:02] <Lydia_WMDE> hehe

[18:02:21] <Lydia_WMDE> alright so addshore is sitting next to me to help a bit

[18:02:26] <andre__> Office hour? Yay!

[18:02:41] <YairRand> ah, office hours. so, are we getting an update on when wikidata is getting superpowers?

[18:02:51] <Lydia_WMDE> YairRand: planned for early 2015 :P

[18:02:58] <Lydia_WMDE> hope there are no delays

[18:03:02] <YairRand> eeexcelent...

[18:03:22] <Lydia_WMDE> alright

[18:03:28] <Lydia_WMDE> then let's start with a short status update

[18:03:44] <aude> hi lvillaWMF

[18:03:48] -*- Sven_Manguard sings "Secret Lovers"

[18:03:51] <Lydia_WMDE> currently we have about 13.5 mio items

[18:04:09] <Lydia_WMDE> there are 23.6 mio statements in those items

[18:04:11] <Lydia_WMDE> so pretty good

[18:04:35] <Lydia_WMDE> http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/stats.php has some great stats on that - pretty extensive

[18:04:41] <Lydia_WMDE> (yay magnus)

[18:05:28] <Lydia_WMDE> what you can also see there is that there are still a lot of unsourced statements or ones sourced to wikipedia and co

[18:05:47] <Lydia_WMDE> still a lot of work left there

[18:06:14] <Lydia_WMDE> we're now at roughly 10000 editors who made at least one edit in the last 30 days

[18:06:22] <Lydia_WMDE> this makes me really happy

[18:06:28] <addshore> [=

[18:06:57] <Lydia_WMDE> oh and we recently celebrated our first birthday \o/

[18:07:13] <Scott_WUaS_> :)

[18:07:15] <Lydia_WMDE> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:First_Birthday <- read that if you have not done it yet

[18:07:17] <Lydia_WMDE> :)

[18:07:39] <Scott_WUaS_> Happy birthday, Wikidata ... what an accomplishment!!!

[18:07:44] <Lydia_WMDE> and here you go for a pretty map of the current geo-coordinates in wikidata: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-analysis/map_huge.png

[18:07:51] <Sven_Manguard> Yes, please. I worked very hard on that and since there's no way to see how many people viewed it, I need other ways to inflate my ego!

[18:08:04] -*- Lydia_WMDE hugs Sven_Manguard

[18:08:11] <Sven_Manguard> Yay!

[18:08:20] -*- Sven_Manguard will shut up now until the intro is over

[18:08:26] <Lydia_WMDE> other cool stuff people did:

[18:08:29] <Lydia_WMDE> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Multilingual_Picture_dictionary

[18:08:50] <Lydia_WMDE> that's a prototype for a multilingual picture dictionary using wikidata labels

[18:09:02] <Lydia_WMDE> pretty neat i think for a start

[18:09:20] <Lydia_WMDE> and then there is http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tempo_spatial_display.html?q=Q8676 

[18:09:38] <Lydia_WMDE> that shows the american civil war's battles based on what is in wikidata

[18:09:42] <Lydia_WMDE> http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tempo_spatial_display.html?q=Q311

[18:09:45] <Wiki13> Wikidata celebrated his first birthday, and several days later I´m a year admin.... Not to mention it´s great to see a new project grow :)

[18:09:49] <Lydia_WMDE> and the same for a cemetery in Paris

[18:09:53] <Wiki13> to how*

[18:10:10] <Lydia_WMDE> Wiki13: congrats for one year admin then :)

[18:10:29] <Lydia_WMDE> so what's next?

[18:10:48] <Lydia_WMDE> * wikisource gets language links via wikidata (planned for january 13)

[18:11:02] <Micru> yay! finally! :)

[18:11:07] <Lydia_WMDE> * quantities so you can finally enter stuff like the number of inhabitants of a country 

[18:11:23] <Sannita> yay! finally! :) (cit.)

[18:11:25] <Lydia_WMDE> * ranks so you can say that a statements is deprecated for example

[18:11:39] <lbenedix> what is about a general number type?

[18:11:42] <Sven_Manguard> Are you giving these in order of deployment?

[18:11:44] <Lydia_WMDE> * and then a lot of work went into queries but the initial version will still take a bit

[18:11:55] <YairRand> quantities is coming before numbers?

[18:12:04] <Vogone> I have a dump question regarding this: Why Wikisource and not Wikiquote? Wikiquote seems to be far easier to me as it looks like it uses the same iw link structure like WP/WY

[18:12:09] <Vogone> *dumb

[18:12:21] <Lydia_WMDE> ok one after the other ;-)

[18:12:43] <Tpt_> Vogone: Because Wikisource have made an intense lobbying ;-)

[18:12:44] <Lydia_WMDE> numbers datatype: that's a misnomer - what you will get initially is that but it should be called quantities

[18:12:47] <DanielK_WMDE> YairRand: there's no "number" datatype. We plan to roll out quantities soon, but initially without unit support.

[18:13:05] <Sven_Manguard> Lydia_WMDE: if you want, I can have people just PM the questions to me and then I can just feed them to you when you ask?

[18:13:21] <Sven_Manguard> If you think it'll make the office chat run smoother

[18:13:33] <Lydia_WMDE> Vogone: what Tpt_ said to some extend ;-) - wikiquote is high on my list after that

[18:13:33] <lbenedix> so its not possible to add a statement about the distance from moon to earch

[18:13:34] <addshore> Sven_Manguard: we are making a list, we wont miss anything

[18:13:37] <lbenedix> earth

[18:13:42] <YairRand> DanielK_WMDE: ah, I see.

[18:13:55] <Lydia_WMDE> Sven_Manguard: addshore is helping - thx

[18:13:56] <Vogone> Tpt_: hah :D … well, at least the Wikisource project I mainly work on didn't :p

[18:14:00] <Sven_Manguard> Lydia_WMDE: when you say quantities, you thinking of doing one datatype for unitless and one datatype for units?

[18:14:20] <Lydia_WMDE> lbenedix: not initially

[18:14:35] <lbenedix> but the population of the moon will be possible...

[18:14:38] <Sven_Manguard> i.e. : Number (dimensionless) and Number (with dimension)

[18:14:43] <Lydia_WMDE> lbenedix: yes

[18:14:45] <Micru> Vogone, don't worry, if Wikisource gets Wikidata integration, then it can be used to source Wikiquote ;)

[18:15:02] <lbenedix> great

[18:15:16] <Vogone> oh, interesting :)

[18:15:17] <marktraceur> That way, when a famous novel changes, Wikiquote will still be up to date!

[18:15:20] <marktraceur> Huzzah

[18:15:54] <Lydia_WMDE> Sven_Manguard: will be one datatype 

[18:16:07] <Lydia_WMDE> Micru asked what the status on arbitrary access is

[18:16:10] <Sven_Manguard> Lydia_WMDE: Okay. As long as it works, it works.

[18:16:14] <Vogone> IIRC Stepro had also some interesting suggestions on how Wikidata could make Wikiquote better and more attractive to edit

[18:16:25] <Lydia_WMDE> we have not started working on it and will not until at least simple queries are rolled out

[18:16:33] <Vogone> mhm

[18:16:37] <Micru> marktraceur: funny :) but it is more to save time copying the details of the book and having crosslinks done and mantained easily

[18:16:44] <lbenedix> what do you mean with "simple queries"?

[18:16:59] <marktraceur> Micru: Well fine, be that way :)

[18:17:04] <dennyvrandecic> Sven_Manguard: basically a quantity with the 1-unit is like a plain number

[18:17:11] <marktraceur> In all seriousness that's pretty cool.

[18:17:33] <addshore> lbenedix: querying one property by one value, ie. find all entities that have a claim P45 > Q23

[18:17:57] <lbenedix> this: http://wikidataquery.eu/api?q=claim[31:52] ?

[18:18:10] <Lydia_WMDE> lbenedix: looks correct

[18:18:11] <Sven_Manguard> as opposed to find all entities that have a claim P45 > Q23 and P67 > Q89

[18:18:12] <Micru> Lydia_WMDE, ok, then first queries then random access

[18:18:13] <Sven_Manguard> which is a complex query

[18:18:28] <lbenedix> its allready there...

[18:18:32] <Lydia_WMDE> Micru: yes but maybe not right after the other

[18:18:39] <Lydia_WMDE> not scheduled yet after queries

[18:18:40] <Micru> another question: what is going to happen with dimension? Is it going to be done with items? Or there will be a fixed list?

[18:18:46] <addshore> lbenedix: it is not a part of wikidata though

[18:19:44] <addshore> Micru: DanielK_WMDE is answering now

[18:19:52] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: it will be a fixed list, based on the unit conversion table.

[18:20:08] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: basically, you'd specify a property's dimension by provising as default unit for the proeprty.

[18:20:17] <lbenedix> addshore: can't  you integrate magnus code?

[18:20:26] <addshore> lbenedix: currently the various query tools you find work from database dumps, not current data

[18:20:29] <DanielK_WMDE> lbenedix: no.

[18:20:46] <lbenedix> ok

[18:20:48] <Micru> DanielK_WMDE, that makes sense. Can it be customized or expanded?

[18:21:14] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: yes, by configuration. not on-wiki.

[18:21:31] <lbenedix> magnus said somewhere that wikidataquery.eu has a delay of 10min

[18:21:49] <Lydia_WMDE> yes and it is awesome

[18:22:01] <Lydia_WMDE> but it is not integrated and doesn't cover everything we want to do :)

[18:22:12] <Micru> DanielK_WMDE: shall we collect some feedback about which units should have priority?

[18:22:19] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: basically, i imagine we will have something like a (much more simple) version of the data file gnu units uses.

[18:22:24] <lbenedix> do you have an example of a simple not covered query?

[18:22:46] <Lydia_WMDE> lbenedix: for the simple ones no

[18:22:54] <Lydia_WMDE> but this is the groundwork for more 

[18:22:56] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: yes, that would actually be nice. Which units, and which conversions in particular (i imagine lightyears-to-feet will be less in demand than miles to kilometers)

[18:23:54] <Micru> DanielK_WMDE: ok, I'll start an rfc about it

[18:24:00] <Lydia_WMDE> Micru: thanks!

[18:24:56] <Lydia_WMDE> more questions?

[18:25:48] <dennyvrandecic> will it be possible for wikipedias to use other dimensions than the ones available in wikidata?

[18:26:00] <Sven_Manguard> Sure: Can you put the items you mentioned above in order of when they're expected to deploy?

[18:27:01] <DanielK_WMDE> dennyvrandecic: can you given an example? i'm not sure i understand what you are getting at

[18:27:25] <Lydia_WMDE> Sven_Manguard: quantities first, then ranks, then queries is my current plan

[18:27:42] <lbenedix> I think you could make your own conversion in the lua code...

[18:28:03] <dennyvrandecic> say, Wikipedia in English uses a crazy unit like "yard", whereas Wikidata decided that this is not so useful to have as it would only be used in the enwiki

[18:28:16] <DanielK_WMDE> lbenedix, dennyvrandecic: you can of course use lua for conversion between units. but i don't see how additional dimensions would be useful.

[18:28:26] <DanielK_WMDE> when combining different units, perhaps? sure, can do that in lua.

[18:28:41] <dennyvrandecic> sorry, i asked wrongly

[18:28:48] <dennyvrandecic> it should have been units, not dimensions, my bad

[18:28:58] <dennyvrandecic> thanks, lbenedix, DanielK_WMDE, that answers it

[18:29:01] <DanielK_WMDE> ok :)

[18:29:29] <lbenedix> how do you plan to save the conversion-methods?

[18:30:34] <DanielK_WMDE> lbenedix: conversion is done based on a table that gives a conversion factor for each unit in reference to a base unit for a given dimension

[18:31:12] <lbenedix> some are easy, just multiply with a certain number, Q494083 could have a statemend "is equal to 201,168m"

[18:31:45] <DanielK_WMDE> lbenedix: the only useful exception to that that i can see is °C/°K/°F

[18:31:52] <lbenedix> yes

[18:32:01] <lbenedix> C->K is easy

[18:32:09] <dennyvrandecic> and sound loudness

[18:32:09] <DanielK_WMDE> (nasty: for absolute temperatures, you have to add an offset, while for temperature differences, you must not)

[18:32:28] <DanielK_WMDE> dennyvrandecic: i said "useful" :)

[18:32:33] <lbenedix> I think there are a lot of crazy to convert units

[18:32:37] <dennyvrandecic> hehe

[18:33:28] <DanielK_WMDE> lbenedix, dennyvrandecic: we can leech off this: http://www.neuron.yale.edu/neuron/static/docs/units/units.dat

[18:33:38] <DanielK_WMDE> we'll just implement the simple/most needed stuff at first

[18:34:00] <DanielK_WMDE> but if we need more, gnu units' dat file covers pretty much all you can think of

[18:34:12] <dennyvrandecic> yep

[18:34:20] <DanielK_WMDE> even the British Chaldron.

[18:34:26] <addshore> :D

[18:34:35] <lbenedix> 1 Smoot = 1,7018 m

[18:34:46] <DanielK_WMDE> "A London chaldron, on the other hand, was defined as "36 bushels heaped up, each bushel to contain a Winchester bushel and one quart, and to be 191⁄2 inches in diameter"."

[18:34:53] <Coren> Did someone fiddle with the imagescaler class and roles lately?

[18:35:06] <DanielK_WMDE> we'll not support Jiffys, though

[18:35:10] <addshore> Coren: arong channel ? :D

[18:35:14] <addshore> *wrong

[18:35:36] <Coren> addshore: Yes.  It also starts with an o.  :-)

[18:35:41] <aude> :D

[18:35:48] <Micru> DanielK_WMDE: useless, it doesn't support the area units my town uses :D >> https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanecada

[18:36:13] <Lydia_WMDE> Micru: patch it! :D

[18:36:30] <Micru> I'll put it on the to-do list :P

[18:37:49] <Micru> btw, will be properties expecting a kind of unit?

[18:38:03] <Micru> or will it be independent?

[18:39:01] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: not fully decided yet, but I'd like quantity properties to always specify a default unit (and thereby, a deminsion)

[18:39:24] <Sven_Manguard> DanielK_WMDE: then would dimensionless be a unit?

[18:39:46] <DanielK_WMDE> Sven_Manguard: yes, it'S the unit called "1!

[18:39:50] <DanielK_WMDE> err, "1"

[18:40:40] <addshore> regarding units, A pony is 0.75 ounces of liquor, or 3⁄4 of a shot.

[18:40:44] <aude> :)

[18:40:48] <Sven_Manguard> Umm, that might not be the best name for it, not that intuitive

[18:40:52] <DanielK_WMDE> I <3 ponies

[18:41:10] <Lydia_WMDE> Sven_Manguard: we'll have to figure out the interface obviously

[18:41:20] <Lydia_WMDE> and you are right

[18:41:25] <DanielK_WMDE> Sven_Manguard: it'll be hidden in the UI

[18:41:39] <dennyvrandecic> a unit is basically a factor with the quantity value. like 1.75 x meter for my height. or 600,000 x 1 for the population of San Francisco.

[18:41:40] <Sven_Manguard> I'm just looking out for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/1

[18:41:49] <DanielK_WMDE> ...and called "(unitless)" in selectors, etc

[18:42:14] <Sven_Manguard> ah

[18:42:20] <Sven_Manguard> that makes sense

[18:43:31] <Lydia_WMDE> so now we have answered a lot of questions

[18:43:34] <Lydia_WMDE> now one question from me

[18:43:49] <Lydia_WMDE> what's your current feeling about wikidata? what's cool? what's not so cool?

[18:44:14] <lbenedix> the userinterface is not so cool

[18:44:23] <Sven_Manguard> Lydia_WMDE: Well I did write a giant op-ed on that

[18:44:25] <Sven_Manguard> :P

[18:44:29] <Lydia_WMDE> Sven_Manguard: :D

[18:44:32] <Sven_Manguard> user interface is fine with me

[18:44:35] <Lydia_WMDE> lbenedix: noted and being improved

[18:44:44] <Sven_Manguard> I don't need shiny, I need functional

[18:44:47] <Lydia_WMDE> hehe

[18:44:50] <Sven_Manguard> but I'm a gnome

[18:44:51] <lbenedix> exactly

[18:45:05] <Sven_Manguard> Lydia_WMDE: the biggest issue right now I think is Commons

[18:45:18] <Lydia_WMDE> :(

[18:45:18] <Tpt_> The very powerful data model is very cool because it allows to express a lot of things without being too much restricted.

[18:45:19] <Sven_Manguard> we still haven't figured out interwiki links with Commons, I don't think

[18:45:34] <Lydia_WMDE> Tpt_: \o/

[18:45:42] <Tpt_> About Commons, will https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info be implemented by the Wikidata team or the WMF multimedia team?

[18:45:43] <dennyvrandecic> Tpt_: yay!

[18:46:02] <Lydia_WMDE> Tpt_: together - groundwork mostly by the wikidata team

[18:46:20] <Sven_Manguard> There was a thread on enWiki about using Wikidata to allow enWiki to link to sister projects the way EsWiki does, but right now Commons isn't ready for that because we're still having issues

[18:46:39] <Lydia_WMDE> Sven_Manguard: oh cool - can you give me a link later?

[18:46:49] <Sven_Manguard> I'll look for it

[18:46:57] <Lydia_WMDE> thx!

[18:47:34] <Tpt_> Lydia_WMDE: Thanks. So is it planned to do implement it inside of the Wikibase extension of create a new extension depending on Wikibase or better on a library that would provide the statement system?

[18:47:52] <Lydia_WMDE> Tpt_: it'll be the wikibase extension

[18:48:07] <Lydia_WMDE> possibly with some extensions

[18:48:12] <Lydia_WMDE> but no idea yet

[18:48:49] <Lydia_WMDE> but yeah the software will be what we've worked on for wikidata

[18:48:57] <Lydia_WMDE> it will obviously need quite a lot of adaption

[18:49:32] <Tpt_> Ok. So you will keep a big extension that does everything?

[18:49:59] <YuviPanda> either way, it'll be really really awesome when done! :D (woo!)

[18:50:00] <Lydia_WMDE> we have split up quite a lot

[18:50:09] <Micru> I have another question about wikimedia templates. There is the need for an easy way to connect template field values with wikidata property values. Do you have anything in mind for this other than Lua?

[18:50:14] <Lydia_WMDE> YuviPanda: :D

[18:50:27] <addshore> Tpt_: all of the query stuff is in totally different extensions / repos

[18:50:28] <Scott_WUaS_> Lydia_WMDE and DanielK_WMDE (and MarkusK_SMW): In what ways might multi-language, external, wiki, knowledge-generative projects begin to develop in, and/or collaborate with, Wikidata / MediaWiki / SemanticWiki, if possible, please? Is there a Wikidata / Wikimedia web page or site for this? Who is best, or what's the best forum, to communicate further with about this? Is Wikidata Creative Commons' or similarly licensed? 

[18:50:43] <Lydia_WMDE> Micru: i am not sure i understand what you mean. can you give an example?

[18:51:21] <dennyvrandecic> Scott_WUaS_: Wikidata is CC0

[18:51:25] <dennyvrandecic> the software is GPL

[18:51:34] <Scott_WUaS_> Thanks :)

[18:51:41] <dennyvrandecic> there has been a talk on the last SMWCon about how to use Wikibase, the software of Wikidata

[18:51:44] <Micru> Lydia_WMDE: now there is no link between the templates used in Wikipedia and the labels used in Wikidata. When a value is updated in a Wikipedia template, it would be cool if it had associated a property and that this property would update with the value entered on wiki

[18:52:00] <dennyvrandecic> Scott_WUaS_: there might be a video about this up

[18:52:08] <Micru> (where I wrote "labels" I meant "properties")

[18:52:18] <dennyvrandecic> Scott_WUaS_: for Semantic MediaWiki, checkout semantic-mediawiki.org

[18:52:45] <Tpt_> I ask the question because I'm looking for a way to move Wikisource index: pages to a Wikibase claim based system and I am wondering if, for the Commons use case you would create a library that would implement statement and use it in both Wikibase and the a new extension for Commons. If yes, I would have imagine to use it also in ProofreadPage

[18:53:00] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: the idea is that the value would not be maintained on wikipedia at all. wikiepdia would just include the value from wikidata.

[18:53:03] <Scott_WUaS_> dennyvrandecic: What's the URL for the video?

[18:53:06] <DanielK_WMDE> to change it, go to wikidata.

[18:53:20] <DanielK_WMDE> (ideally: have the visual editor do that for you)

[18:53:28] <aude> magically :)

[18:53:41] <dennyvrandecic> Scott_WUaS_: I don't know. try looking for the smwcon in berlin 2013

[18:53:56] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: basically, changes are synced from wikidata to wikipedia. not the other way around. the idea is to have a central repository for that information, so it needs only to be changed once, for all wikipedias.

[18:54:46] <DanielK_WMDE> Tpt_: the idea is indeed to re-use wikibase code for implementing media meta data for commons.

[18:54:52] <Scott_WUaS_> dennyvrandecic: Are you and Lydia perhaps the best Wikidatans to communicate further about this? What are possibilities if any for collaboration with the Wikidata + communities?

[18:55:33] <Micru> DanielK_WMDE: I know that is the original intention, but if it was bidirectional, we would have users contributing more to Wikidata without having to interact with it (maybe it is one click too far away). On the other hand if it can be modified from the wikitext, then everybody can contribute from "now" without having to learn anything

[18:56:02] <Lydia_WMDE> Scott_WUaS_: in general things that concern the whole community are discussed on d:Project chat on wikidata

[18:56:15] <Micru> and I am not so sure about all users using VisualEditor... there was a lot of backslash on en-wp

[18:56:17] <aude> Micru: could be via a widget that talks to wikidata api

[18:56:27] <aude> not in our plans anytime soon

[18:56:32] <aude> maybe the visual editor could do it

[18:56:36] <Scott_WUaS_> Thanks, Lydia

[18:56:49] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: i can's see a feasible way to do this, and supporting it goes contrary to the idea of storing data ina central repository.

[18:56:59] <addshore> 5 mins left of our office hour everyone!!

[18:57:00] <DanielK_WMDE> we don't want to encourage local dublicates

[18:57:16] <lazowik> addshore: quick, buy some time!

[18:57:17] <Micru> DanielK_WMDE, thanks for the answer

[18:57:28] <Tpt_> DanielK_WMDE: Ok. Thanks

[18:57:35] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru: thank aude for the practical answer :P

[18:57:35] <addshore> any final short questions people would like to throw at us? :)

[18:57:44] <Micru> yes, thanks to aude too :)

[18:57:47] <aude> :)

[18:58:30] <Lydia_WMDE> alright

[18:58:31] <dennyvrandecic> Micru: just think about the workflow.

[18:58:34] <Scott_WUaS_> Lydia_WMDE: Here, I assume ... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat ... will look for office hours ... is there an email list?

[18:58:42] <dennyvrandecic> you enter a value for a template parameter

[18:58:47] <dennyvrandecic> into local wikitext

[18:59:00] <dennyvrandecic> and then someone changes a value in local wikitext in their wiki

[18:59:13] <addshore> Scott_WUaS_: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

[18:59:14] <dennyvrandecic> should the original wikitext be changed on your wiki too?

[18:59:21] <Lydia_WMDE> Scott_WUaS_: yes that page

[18:59:27] <dennyvrandecic> this would be quite confusing

[18:59:29] <Micru> dennyvrandecic: there would be an edit conflict, similar to what we have now

[18:59:32] <addshore> Scott_WUaS_: any future office hours will be on there and also on the project chat

[18:59:46] <dennyvrandecic> Micru: no, edit conflicts happen because the edit is at the same time

[18:59:53] <Scott_WUaS_> Thanks

[19:00:05] <Lydia_WMDE> alright folks

[19:00:07] <dennyvrandecic> Micru: but I add the population of Barcelona in the enwiki

[19:00:08] -*- aude hungry :)

[19:00:08] <Lydia_WMDE> thanks a lot for coming :)

[19:00:10] <lazowik> Scott_WUaS_: there's a nice little box in the lower left of this page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata

[19:00:18] <dennyvrandecic> you change it on cawiki tomorrow

[19:00:24] <Lydia_WMDE> it's been fun!

[19:00:28] <dennyvrandecic> what should be the result?

[19:00:31] <dennyvrandecic> thank you!

[19:00:34] <Lydia_WMDE> we'll post the logs later

[19:00:41] <Micru> thanks!

[19:00:44] <Lydia_WMDE> \o/

[19:00:49] <addshore> For more fun with units see >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measurement

[19:00:52] <DanielK_WMDE> Micru, dennyvrandecic: i'm all for integrating wikdiata editing into the wikipedia UI, but trying to sync wikitext doesn't make any sense to me.

[19:01:08] <dennyvrandecic> DanielK_WMDE: agreed

[19:01:18] <dennyvrandecic> I think VE is the only sensible way for that

[19:01:29] <Micru> dennyvrandecic, dennyvrandecic: ok, VE is it then

[19:01:50] <dennyvrandecic> :D you have to call the devil thrice

[19:01:55] <Micru> ups, i meant DanielK_WMDE, dennyvrandecic :)

[19:01:59] <dennyvrandecic> hehe

[19:02:06] <Micru> lol

[19:02:34] <Micru> thanks for your time guys, always a pleasure these office hours :)

[19:02:43] <Micru> bye

[19:02:45] <Lydia_WMDE> :)

[19:03:00] <Tpt_> Thanks a lot for this amazing office hour :-)