Meta:Babel/Archives/2006-11

Wikigrammar removal

Wikigrammar proposal had significant support (12 users), but it was removed from proposals page by anonimous user ([1]). It was not denied officially. Can I restore this proposal? Kneiphof 22:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure, 'twas a simple vandalism. MaxSem 04:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Catégorisation du projet Wikipédia dans toutes les langues

Bonjour tout le monde (English version follows this one if you can not read French)

Je viens ici sur Méta pour la première fois car j'aimerais soumettre une idée censée répondre à un problème non négligeable que j'ai découvert il y a quelques temps sur la Wikipédia francophone (Wiki de la fondation Wikimédia sur lequel je suis le plus actif). Après une discussion plus ou moins longue dans le bistro dans laquelle j’ai décris mon problème, quelques utilisateurs et moi avons pu conclure que Meta serait probablement le lieu approprié pour le résoudre. Je vais donc vous faire un bref résumé de ce problème mais si vous souhaitez relire la discussion en question, c’est par là : fr:WP:LB#Wikipédia et le système de catégorisation).

Depuis le début que je participe au projet Wikipédia, j’ai principalement concentré mes efforts à améliorer certains articles mais de plus en plus je m’intéresse à l’organisation du projet Wikipédia en lui-même. Et le point fort de Wikipédia c’est que tout est organisé à l’aide de catégories. Pour bien comprendre l’organisation du projet Wikipédia je me suis donc dit qu’il fallait que je parte de la catégorie mère ou racine. Et c’est là que j’ai rencontré des difficultés et ai mis du temps à comprendre car en fait les catégories dédiées à l’organisation du projet Wikipédia dans la version francophone (FR) sont vraiment bancales. Alors que lorsque j’ai jeté un œil à la version anglophone (EN), ça m’a paru tout de suite plus clair, ces catégories racines tiennent debout. Et donc pour en venir au fait voici ce qui ne va pas :

Sur FR, la fr:catégorie:Wikipédia sert en quelque sort de fourre-tout alors que sur EN la séparation est clairement annoncé dès le début, la en:Category:Wikipedia regroupe les articles encyclopédiques au sujet de Wikipédia (c’est-à-dire ceux comme en:Wikipedia) et la catégorie racine pour l’organisation du projet Wikipédia c’est en:Category:Wikipedia administration. Sur FR nous n’avons pas de catégorie similaire à cette dernière !!! (c’est donc pour ça que je ne comprenais pas au début…). Ce que j’ai donc pensé et proposé dans un premier temps c’est que la FR adopte le même modèle de catégorisation (avec comme idée de solution un grand chantier de renommage des catégories à l’aide de bot). Comme premières réactions on obtient une légère embrouille FR/EN mais bon qui n’a pas vraiment d’importance, d’autant plus qu’elle a eu lieu à cause de mon explication pas vraiment claire au début.

Puis finalement j’ai eu l’idée qui m’amène ici. La solution à ce problème ce serait d’instaurer un nouvel espace de noms (qui s’appellerait par exemple WCatégorie) et qui permettrait de séparer les catégories classiques des catégories destinées uniquement à l’organisation du projet Wikipédia. Cette solution à mon avis aurait aussi l’avantage d’appliquer la même organisation des projets Wikipédia dans toutes les langues (car je pense que cette organisation est indépendante de la langue de la Wikipédia). Actuellement je ne connais pas l’organisation des Wikipédias dans toutes les différentes langues, mais je pense que cette homogénéisation ne pourra être que bénéfique (pour la FR, c’est clair).

Concrètement si on prend par exemple la catégorie sur EN en:Category:Portals, son nom deviendrait en:WCategory:Portals de la même manière qu’actuellement les articles en:Portal et en:Wikipedia:Portals sont séparés. Car même s’il est effectivement probable par exemple que sur la FR, on n’ait jamais besoin d’une catégorie nommé fr:Catégorie:Portail pour catégoriser des articles au sujet de portails (je ne parle bien sûr pas de ceux de Wikipédia), par soucis d’homogénéité celle-ci ne doit pas être utilisé pour l’organisation de Wikipédia. Voilà le principe-même des espaces de noms si je ne dis pas de bêtises. C’est comme par exemple quand on sépare en:User:Cat et en:Cat.

Donc pour finir en conclusion mon idée c'est qu’il serait souhaitable que toutes les Wikipédias instaure un nouveau nom d’espace (le nom WCatégorie c’est un exemple bien sûr, on peut mettre ce qui nous fait plaisir) ou éventuellement si ce que je demande est impossible il faudrait mettre en place un système permettant de faire quelque chose de similaire. Voilà si vous avez tout lu jusqu’au bout merci beaucoup :-). 16@r 22:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Damn! Why am I so talkative, now if I want translate it for all of you who cannot read French, it will take me time... :D

Hello everybody (I probably made some mistakes in this translation, please correct them if you can)

I come here on Meta for the first time because I would like to submit an idea supposed to solve a non negligible problem that I’ve found out a few times on the French version of Wikipédia (Wikimedia Foundation’s Wiki on which I’m the most active). After a discussion more or less long in the bistro (=forum on the Wikipedia French version) in which I describe my problem, some users and me concluded that Meta could probably be the right place to solve it. Hence I’m gonna give you a summary of it but if you want to read the original discussion, it’s here fr:WP:LB#Wikipédia et le système de catégorisation.

Since I started to contribute to Wikipedia, I've mainly focused my efforts on improving articles but now more and more I get interest on Wikipedia project organisation itself. And the key feature of Wikipedia, it is that everything is organised with categories. So for a better understanding, I thought I had to start from the root category and at this point I had some troubles. In fact, I needed some time to understand that Wikipedia French version (FR) organisation related-categories are unsound. So I gave a glance on the similar categories of the English version (EN) and I immediately saw that it’s more clear and right. And so eventually here is what’s wrong:

On FR, fr:catégorie:Wikipédia is used in a way like a junk room though on EN a separation is clearly announced as soon as the beginning: the en:Category:Wikipedia category is used to collect encyclopaedic articles about Wikipedia (like en:Wikipedia for example) and the top-level category to organise the Wikipedia project is en:Category:Wikipedia administration. On FR there is no equivalent category Wikipedia administration!!! (here is the reason why I couldn’t understand…). So firstly, what I thought and suggested in the Bistro, it was that FR adopt the same organisation model that EN (with the idea that the solution would probably be the using of bots for renaming categories). The first reactions were some FR/EN troubles but without real importance and it was probably due to my not really clear explications at the beginning.

And then finally I had the idea that leads me here. I thought that the solution to this problem would be to establish a new namespace (that would be called WCategory for example) and that would allowed to separate classical categories (I mean those we use to structure the knowledge like mathematics for example) from categories only used for organising the Wikipedia project. According to me, this solution would have the advantage to make all different language versions of Wikipedia had this same organisation (because I think this organisation does not dependent on language). Currently I don’t know exactly how these categories are organised in all different language versions, but I supposed it could only bring benefit (as for FR it’s sure!!).

Concretely if we look for example on EN, the category en:Category:Portals it would become en:WCategory:Portals as well as currently en:Portal and en:Wikipedia:Portals articles are dissociated. Because even if it’s right we probably never need a category called en:Category:Portals to categorise articles about portals (of course I don’t speak about those of Wikipedia) but for the homogeneity, it shouldn’t be used for Wikipedia organisation. Yes it’s the namespace principle. It’s like when we separate en:User:Cat and en:Cat.

So to conclude, my idea is that all different languages versions of Wikipedia establish a new namespace (of course, WCategory is just an example, it is possible to chose what we want) or if it is impossible, it would be a similar system allowing to provide a similar separation of the two kind of categories. Voilà, thank you very much if you read my explanations till the end :-) 16@r 21:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Bonjour/bonsoir. On some of the wiki sites I contribute to (mostly Wikipedia Maori and several Wikia), there is a category with a name like "Administation of this site". It sits under the "top" or "root" category alongside the "knowledge" categories. Here's an example: http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Administration_of_this_site. Isn't that enough? Robin Patterson 00:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Changes to the Wikipedia portal

I'm posting here to notify the broader community about some changes at Www.wikipedia.org template/temp that are ready to go live to the Wikipedia portal. Following the discussion at Talk:Www.wikipedia.org template, a few users have worked out a way of giving more prominence to language editions that've reached 100,000 articles but aren't one of the ten largest editions. Previously this wasn't a problem, because only the Top 10 had 100,000 articles or more.

Original proposal: "laurels of fame", with Russian just below the logo

The original proposal was to move Russian to the top of the page, where the Top 10 surround the Wikipedia logo, because leaving the link in the 10,000+ list leads visitors to assume that Russian has about as many articles as much smaller wikis, such as Georgian. Arguments against this move focused on the changes we'd have to make once Chinese and other editions reach 100,000 articles.

Ultimately, the unstable version of the portal was modified according to my proposal: create a new 100,000+ list of wikis that includes the Top 10 plus Russian. With this approach, visitors hopefully aren't as confused when a language reaches 100,000 articles and gets promoted (predictably) to the next list.

If you use one of the browsers listed at data: URI scheme, you can test out the current layout:

1. Paste the source text of Www.wikipedia.org template/temp into the large textbox at The data: URI kitchen.
2. Click on Generate, then click on the link that is generated.

Please comment on this change; with just a couple users' opinions so far, I don't feel comfortable making the new layout live yet, since I'm a relatively new admin here, and countless Wikipedia visitors will be seeing the portal.

 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 05:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Sep11 Wiki Site Notice

Could someone please change the site notice on the September 11 Wiki? It is still advertizing Wikimania. Thanks. Timrem 17:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Insert Into

When i entering words "insert into" in the article and traing to save or preview i see the folowing on my wiki

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /wiki/index.php on this server.
Apache/1.3.34 Ben-SSL/1.57 Server at www.website.com Port 80

i'm using the MediaWiki 1.7.1 with PHP5 enabled. Anybody know khow to solve this problem? Thank you. 88.215.149.10 01:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Please direct MediaWiki specific inquiries to http://www.mediawiki.org or http://www.mwusers.com. --Swift 04:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Machine translation for small wikipedias

I just created this page as a follow up and disucssion page for the themes that lately were discussed on the foundation list. If you are interested in machine translation or fast creation of contents for wikipedias, please join us there. --Sabine 19:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I have updated the page with current machine translation projects and their status involving the Wolf Mountain Group WikiTrans technology and Wikipedia Native Translation Programs. Jmerkey 23:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Templates within templates within templates

Please take a look here: I would like to correct Election_candidates_2006/Nl as AaronSw is twice mentioned. But alas I cannot. I have not the faintest idea how to correct this, because someone had the idea to make it difficult (probably because no one can mess it up that way). Maybe someone could explain to me why this has to be so difficult, and maybe correct the mistake him/herself? Londenp 13:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Medical translations

Dear Board of WikiMedia:

I am an argentine pychologyst who worked many years as a translator in health and psychological dissemination -in the media. I'd like to participate in your effort but appreciating that you assign me to translate some of the following subjects :

• Medicine, Health, Environment and all its related matters.
• Psychology, Psychiatry and Psychoanalysis in all of its expressions.
• Sociology, anthropology and related matters, avoiding if possible : politics.
• History, Geography, and related subjects.

I'd also like to know how could I mention this serious activity in my Life Sheet or CV if you prefer it. Is this possible ?.

Glad to find new friends in the Media adventure, I remain

Cordially Yours.

Vìctor.

Dear Victor,

I am not part of the board, but part of the people who care about translations. The board does not cover this very specific area, but leaves it up to us to organize ourselves. As much as I understand from what you write you would like to translate from English to Spanish - well, that is not a problem. Just go to the portal for medicine on the English wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Medicine and start to search for interesting artilces there. On the left hand side you find the interwiki links to Spanish. Anyway you then need to check on http://es.wikipedia.org that this page does not exist and if it does not you can simply translate it.

We sometimes have requests for translations, but these are more wishes (some of these translations are really needed and a group of us wants to cover exactly these), since doing translations within these projects is "doing work for fun" without being remunerated, everyone of us chooses what he/she likes to do and does it when he/she has time to do it.

I hope this helps. If you have further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us here again.

To the others: I used normal links here in order to facilitate it for Victor to understand where things are since the interwiki at the beginning can be a bit confusing.

Cheers, Sabine

Adding "Post Comment" section.

Can anyone tell me how to achieve this?

Do youi mean to add the [+] icon to non-talk page. If so, __NEWSECTIONLINK__ Minun ^Spiderman 18:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

mediawiki:mainpage/de

please create and add Hauptseite there. Thanks. TZM talk at de.wp 16:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Would you like to let us know how it works? Where and how will this page be invoked? --Aphaia 08:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Aromanian wikipedia

We'd like to change the "Armâneashti" title on the roa-rup.wikipedia.org with "Armãneashce". Also we'd like to authomatize the "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", or in Aromanian "Di Wikipedia, entsiclopedia liberã" below every title. Thank you in advance, Eeamoscopolecrushuva 07:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC) We added an Aromanian translation to the above, we wanted to give our contribution here. Eeamoscopolecrushuva 18:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Go to roa-rup:Special:Allmessages and search in the list for the text that you want to replace, then follew the "edit" link at the left of them. If you get a message saying that you were not allowed to do that, you need to ask an admin of the wikipedia, or ask for admin privileges for yourself. --Purodha Blissenbach 21:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Bilingual templates for translators

I have a problem with the bilingual templates ... that is: I don't like them since they get to big and will create a huge mess when we want to use the same templates for all projects (uploading them with the bot). It would mean that basically we would have 200 x 200 = ca. 40000 templates - considering all wikipedia languages + using two languages on the template simply creates double work with the localization of it. The template needs to be created in such a way that we get one template that is valid for all wikipedias - so that on the local wikipedias they only need to localize some subtemplates to get things correctly. Instead of creating double work we should think about how to minimize work and maximize results. Now I know that the objection will be: but we do not translate among all that languages - and there I say: at this moment we do not ... but only having 50 languages to consider we have 50 x 50 = 2500 templates ... I am trying to find a way where wikipedias will need to do things only once and where we will be able to use the translated language names in database format like we have them on WiktionaryZ. Thank you for taking the time. (Posting the same to the discussion page of the templates) --Sabine 13:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Need an edit deleted

Can an admin please e-mail me. I made an edit without logging in and would like it deleted so I can do it again without my IP showing. thanks. --ZimZalaBim 14:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Dutch wikipedia

Hi! I heard that the Dutch language is undergoins some spelling reforms courtsey http://taalunieversum.org/, and that new spellings are valid as of 1 Aug 2006. Is wikipedia nl: going to update to the new spellings, or is there a proposal to create a new nl: wiki? Nichalp 22:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no proposal to create a new nl:wiki. These new spellings will flow in the different articles in due time, also some bots are set to work on it. Imho the amount of real mistakes in spellings is a bigger problem then a not too big difference in spellings before and after the reform. Londenp 08:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Protection request

Could some kind admin please protect Wikibooks/logo/archive-vote-1, Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-1 and Wikiversity/logo/archive-vote-1 and their respective talk pages? We don't really want anyone to edit those any longer, do we? Thanks! —Nightstallion (?) 08:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. MaxSem 15:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I assume that the respective phase-2 archives should be locked also; could somebody do that? Daniel (‽) Check out Wikiscope! 20:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikibooks rc

On Meta RC page lacks the wikibooks and source line on projets in the header, could someone fix it? The Doc 13:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it already occupies over a half of my screen... MaxSem 15:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

so...? Try moving usefull tech and part of discussioni to another place like the main page, I don't see why keep them there The Doc 13:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Try also switching your resolution up :-) The Doc

I don't mind if meta RC has one more line or not ... however I have no time to create wikibook RC list. I suppose other sysops are in a similar situation. So, The Doc, if you prepare it, put somewhere (its talk or your user subpage), and ask a sysop help, I expect someone will care for updating. --Aphaia 08:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Ɛʋɛ > Eʋegbe

Where should I go if I want to change the language name of a Wiki? The name of ee.wikipedia.org, the Ewe Wikipedia, is currently spelled "Ɛʋɛ" in all interwikilinks. This should be Eʋegbe however.

I'm a sysop on ee.wikipedia; you can reach me over there or on my English talk page. I'll also check back here. — mark ✎ 21:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

You should file a bug at Bugzilla. Thanks for bringing up the issue. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 01:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick answer. I have done so, and it has promptly been fixed (bug 7448). — mark ✎ 12:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Saterfrisian

Could someone who can load the page for language requests add my support vote for the request for a Saterfrisian Wikipedia that's supposed to be there. (Eg.: Aliter, as requested on Meta:Babel.) Thanks in advance. Aliter

Is there any reason not to lock that page immediately and reopen it on Incubator with eg. language-based subpages? Aliter 17:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The reason is that hopefully a new procedure will be implemented in the near future, which will be based on Incubator and will include far less voting and discussion. Once the changes have been made the pages will be transfered. Daniel (‽) Check out Wikiscope! 20:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Spam

Someone recently "spammed" the foundation-l mailing list. When I came to check my mail, I suddenly had 141 e-mails from someone in the foundation-l mailing list Minun ^Spiderman 19:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Cross-wiki ban?

Briefly, there was/is a user on WikipediA called "User:Primetime" who was banned (by Jimbo!) for notorious copyright violations. He's since been banned on the Spanish WpA, and according to another user (Who I'll let tell the whole story) he's been active on other WMF projects. See Vandalism reports#Primetime for the full story. As mentioned there, this user has an account here (User:Primetime). I reccomend and suggest that he be banned here (Or at least the account blocked). 68.39.174.238 01:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a correct description. Primetime has been a duplicitous plagiarizer, and has engaged in off-Wiki harassment of editors who have tried to curtail his activities. Unfortunately, banning his accounts seems to slow him down only slightly. -W:user:Will Beback 04:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I also forgot to mention what he's alluded to: He's a notorious sockpuppeteer. Just the same, I suggest this account be blocked and any future ones be so as well to prevent him causing trouble on this WMF wiki. 68.39.174.238 21:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I've been bold and blocked him. MaxSem 13:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanx dude. 68.39.174.238 07:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it seems to be fine in this case, the account has been blocked. But I by myself know another cases like that and would support the idea given above. If there is an account banned on one wiki for more than (say) 6 months (that happens not so often), he should be appear in a list somewhere, maybe here in meta; other wikis and projects can see and deside to do the same. It seems to be in a contrary to some ideas of wiki, but it is not. Especially those users from smaller wikis, who vandalise and disrupt the work, have accounts also in en: etc., and after having been banned in a small wiki, they continue their harassement in other projects and nobody knows the background. There is a difference between doing good deal here and disturbing it on the other side. -jkb- 08:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Two things, first of all, common logic also backs up jkb's assertions. It's very rare and logically unlikely that a person would be such a chronic disruptor on one wiki that they get banned, and be even passable on another. Examples of these cross-wiki vandals include the already mentioned Primetime (English and Spanish), MutterErde (English and German, also for copyright violating), The Middle East Conflict Man (English and both Norwegians), and very likely others.

Secondly I'm suspiscious of User:Stockmiles, who'se only edit... was to remove the comment I added to User:Primetime. I might add that this is a hallmark of Primetime, leading to his usepage on eN getting protected. 68.39.174.238 01:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Transwiki/Interwiki template center

Wikipedia has a few templates for linking from articles to Wikibooks. Their number has been changing. First we had a number of templates that all did pretty much the same thing. By use of ParserFunctions most of these were merged into w:en:Template:Wikibooks but the obsolete templates still exist on other projects (wikt:Template:Wikibookspar, s:Template:Wikibookspar, commons:Template:Wikibookspar).

In addition to this, some wikibooks may start creating customized templates for individual wikibook projects so given the rapid changes in these and the difficulty in propogating changes and preventing unhelpful branching, the idea arose in conversation between me and another Wikibooks editor to put up a "master copy" at Wikibooks for other projects to refer to.

Expanding on the idea, I wanted to see if there had been an attempt at a similar project, but with a broader scope — creating a larger repository shared by all projects. I did some archeology on Meta and found an attempt to maintain a list of template duplications. It's close, but doesn't quite fit what we had in mind. The list has been inactive and apparently never took off so I've staged a coup to change it to fit the master-copy idea.

I've outlined the proposal on Template duplication and I now request the community's comments on it. --Swift 20:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

User pages that imitate look like articles

I was going to ask if there shouldn't be a wikipedia.org-wide policy (or precedent) against user pages that imitate articles? Then it occurred to me that a similar problem might be that draft articles in userspace get picked up by search engines (a random example)? Maybe pages in userspace should be configured to make it much harder for unaware/naive readers to mistake them for articles? --83.253.36.136 12:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Our projects all follow the principle that, although users are allowed a certain freedom in using their assigned user pages, technically those pages do not belong to them (as the material submitted must be released under the GFDL license). There are limits to what users can do with "their" user pages, and any abuse needs to be reported to local Administrators or even to the local community, so that it can be dealt with. Because all our projects utilize the GFDL license, this reality applies to them all already, in spite of any variations regarding the degree of leeway that users are allowed in using those pages. Redux 05:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but what about drafts and other legitimate pages that look and read like articles, but aren't? Is the string "User:user name" enough to make the reader aware of the difference, if for example the user name is Astronaut and the page name is Spacesuit – User:Astronaut/Spacesuit ? The difference in coloring between articles and user pages is very subtle on the English Wikipedia, and nonexistant elsewhere. Should user pages carry "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"? Just something to think about. --83.253.36.136 00:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I think nobody will have problems with a page like User:Astronaut/Spacesuit. But I know more pages whos name is Astronaut although the real name is User:Astronaut - the namespace has been hidden. And this can be very irritating for many users. -jkb- 08:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Broken Donations link in sidebar

Leads to a redirect. Presummably something to be fixed at/via MediaWiki:Sidebar? --Quiddity 08:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Works for me, with correct link to http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising. Which language do you use in preferences? MaxSem 17:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Works now, someone must have fixed it. Thanks :) --Quiddity 21:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange, last edit to it was on 15 August %) MaxSem 05:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Getting around

I've come here from wikipedia/commons. Is this where I get help? I can't find a village pump anywhere, I'm all turned around! I was wondering how essays were handled....I wrote an essay about community process and policy some time ago in my userspace (Why a cabal is percieved), but after seeing that most essays here are in the mainspace, I moved it. Is there anything I should know about policy, essays, and community here, that would be different from wikipedia? The ikiroid 22:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Meta Babel is the equivalent of a village pump. As for essays, yes, they're okay in the mainspace. Be sure to categorize it properly though. — Edward Z. Yang^(Talk) 23:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Already categorized it. Thanks for the response :) The ikiroid 13:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Retrieving password on a minority wikipedia

I would like to retrieve my password on pih, where apparently I didn't enter an email address. I've already talked with the local sysop, who has informed me that she can't retrieve it for me, and suggested that I ask here to see if it were possible.

Thanks.

( ) 23:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC).

It is not possible to retrieve the password, as it is irreversibly obfuscated upon entry into the database. If you can reasonably well prove that the account belongs to you, you may be able to get a developer to issue a new password to you, but developers are pretty busy people hmm. — Edward Z. Yang^(Talk) 02:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Character insertion box

I'd like to implement a small character insertion box under the edit form, both by desire and by request on IRC. You can see a live demonstration on the English Wikisource (just under the [save page] button). If there are no objections, I'll implement it in a few days. —[admin] Pathoschild 05:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Gee, I've just copied less advanced version from enwiki following the request at Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat, and onlythen noticed your post. MaxSem 07:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Any objection to switching to the more advanced (and compact) version? —[admin] Pathoschild 17:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

As I can see, your version have less chars to offer, for example, it has only uppercase cyrillic chars and so on. Perhaps, it requires some expansion? MaxSem 17:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

imho I like the advanced version much better, if it's expanded to include Wiki markup, upper Cyrillic, and IPA. --朝彦 (Asahiko) 01:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)