North Carolina Wikipedians/Monthly-Meeting
These are the meeting notes for the monthly North Carolina Wikipedians meetings. We take our meeting notes on our Etherpad and then copy them over here for long-term storage.
November 12, 2024 - Monthly meeting
editAttending: Emily, Max, James, Jennifer, Stella Agenda:
- Wikimedia Board governance update
- Updates to the spreadsheet for sorting photos of Western NC: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiPixNC_2022
- Considering making a call on Instagram for the editathon on Dec. 15, 2024 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NC/Virtual_Editathon_December_2024).
- Challenges around uploading photos on someone's behalf. There are probably a lot of people who have photos but don't live in the area. We should verify if a photo someone wants to share was uploaded elsewhere under a license that allows us to share. Authors can also grant permission in writing if they email the licensing people after the image has been uploaded (see Wiki Commons - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard) or put out a public statement like this: https://archive.is/99qi6
- Advice about disclosing information that helps people identify you?
- Generally recommend staying as anonymous as possible - e.g., https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/us/wikipedia-harassment-wikimedia-foundation.html
- The December editathon is the first online meeting in either in a long time or first ever
- Favorite wikipedia pages?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources - which sources to cite or not - but stirs up strong debates
- astronomical pages
- Learning recommendations before the editathon?
- Learn by doing - there will be time to learn during the editathon
- Instructions on how to do metadata cleaning at the bottom of the minutes - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SHz0G8jS2QqAZR4MLUF6JUndpKPsB8q_NLI-AXF8cmM/edit
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources - which sources to cite or not - but stirs up strong debates
October 8, 2024 - North Carolina Wikipedians meeting
editAttending: Emily, Jennifer, Max, Stella, Gaurav Agenda:
- Debrief of the NCW Trivia meetup (Oct 1, 2024)
- Future events?
- Interest in Western NC / Hurricane Helene themed online edit-a-thon? Maybe focused on the WikiPix images Cleanup, highlighting images from affected areas
- Deferred to next month:
- Wikimedia Board governance update
- Lew Powell in Charlotte (Little Rascals Day Care case of the 1990s, littlerascalsdaycarecase.org)
- [Your agenda items here]
Notes:
- Debrief of the NCW Trivia meetup (Oct 1, 2024):
- Second trivia event
- 13 people showed up! And almost no overlap with the previous meetup
- Stella: as someone new, it was a good way to meet the group ("newbie-friendly" and low-stakes)
- Richard (Pharos) helps us get the banner, but we can't use them too often -- we decided not to do another event like this until the next year
- Gaurav: The restriction is on CentralNotice, GeoNotices might be easier to do more often -- and we can message previous attendees directly if we need to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geonotice)
- Emily: would be nice to track who signs up for mailing lists after events.
- Stella: reaching out to people one-on-one can be nice.
- How is Boxyard RTP when it's cold?
- Stella: in March it was fine, but I'm from Colorado
- Max found a Twitter post that says they have heaters
- 13 people showed up! And almost no overlap with the previous meetup
- Second trivia event
- Round of introductions
- Jennifer: Update, taking Wiki Education Course https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/courses/Wiki_Education/The_2024_Election-6_(Fall_2024)?enrolled=true
- Jennifer: working on a project to outline buildings on OpenStreetMap -- https://tasks.openstreetmap.us/projects/655/
- Future events?
- Next Boxyard RTP meeting in early 2025
- Should we have an unstructured virtual meeting? "No agenda, just come here and edit, or ask any questions"
- Could do that instead of our November meeting
- Could be worth advertising just on Geonotice
- We could set this up quite broadly (VA, NC, SC, northern GA, eastern TN) and link to meta:North Carolina Wikipedians#How can you get involved?
- [Gaurav] To create a Geonotice -- "sign up ahead of this event"
- [Jennifer] Interest in Western NC / Hurricane Helene themed online edit-a-thon? Maybe focused on the WikiPix images Cleanup, highlighting images from affected areas
- We have a bunch of photos to still process from WikiPix, and a fair number are in Western NC
- Event that might appeal to beginners and more experienced people
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiPixNC_2022
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NiBmuf5auQCjhPwAsG1kLbywLhumAUWqsrs3_5cGzSE/edit?gid=1066616149#gid=1066616149 -- could add counties
- Good for beginners to figure out what to do with pictures
- If people have photos of WNC or Hurricane Helene, we can talk about uploading those photos as well
- Good fit for cold weather
- [Gaurav] Set up a page for a virtual event with a soft focus on Helene and the affected counties in WNC,
- When is this happening?
- Early December -- Tuesday, December 10 if we want to keep to our usual schedule
- Weekend? 11-1, 5-7, 90 mins, 2 hours
- 11-1, 10-12 would be good
- December 15 from 10:30 to 12
- Next Boxyard RTP meeting in early 2025
September 10, 2024 - North Carolina Wikipedians meeting
editAttending: Anna, Emily, James, Jeannie, Jennifer, Max, Richard, Agenda:
- Updates & discussion on the Movement Charter process
- Aug update from Maryana Iskander: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Chief_Executive_Officer/Updates/August_2024_Update
- Late Aug update from Maryana Iskander: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/Late_August_2024_update
- Drafting committee recommendations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Updates/Recommendations_for_next_steps_from_the_MCDC,_and_Farewell
- Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustee elections are currently in progress until September 17 (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024)
- Editing request
- Recap recent live event(s)
- Future events?
- Translation (https://translatewiki.net/)
Notes:
- Movement Charter Process
- Emily presented background on movement and movement charter for new attendees
- Update after movement charter vote: foundation did not vote in support of charter; Maryana Iskander lays out next steps in recent communications linked above.
- Foundation interested in doing smaller-scale experiments with elements of the charter
- Communications are recommended reading for those interested in understanding the priorities of the Foundation and of those involved in drafting the Charter proposal
- Board of Trustees Elections
- Candidates and voting eligibility
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024
- Editing Request
- Jennifer will offer to put resources on Talk page
- Event Recaps
- Boxyard RTP event. Attendance approximately 25. Weather wasn't great. Public trivia activity--Wikipedians won! This was the group's best-attended event. Venue worked well, may also consider for future events. Future events may do intentional tie-in to trivia night. Geonotice banner was very effective for collecting RSVPs. Collect IDs/ emails of those who RSVPd. Possibly plan for early November, but Boxyard trivia is November 5th/ Election Day.
- Future Events
- Plan for October 1st , 5:30 start for Trivia starting at 6PM. Max will draft notice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NC/Triangle_Trivia_October_2024), Emily will send to listserv and draft message for RSVPs, we may divide up outreach to those folks. At Boxyard RTP again, with specific focus on Trivia.
- Translation
- Jennifer mentioned translatewiki.net -- which is about translating procedural things. That's different from content translation.
July 9, 2024 - North Carolina Wikipedians meeting
editAgenda:
- Review Wiknic plans
Notes:
- Frank is organizing a Wiknic in September in Greenville NC
- Most members of our group can't make it, but Max said he might be interested in going down and carpooling with anyone interesting
- There is some interest in organizing a Wiknic in the Triangle
- Today is the last day to vote for the Wikimedia Movement Charter:
- Movement Charter: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter
- Vote here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Ratification/Voting
- Jennifer reports from an event she attended at the Wiki Workshop (https://wikiworkshop.org/#papers)
- Pretty interesting one-day event
- keynote discussing the concept of a data strike (among many other things by Brent Hecht (Microsoft):
- When people were upset with Reddit for harvesting content for AI, lot of people tried to delete their stuff
- StackOverflow had a similar phenomenon
- Session videos are available here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhV3K_DS5YfJM2hhwoRY7MyFLx8XAIwfv&si=BqSqHcaz1lVriUu2
- Wiknic in the Triangle
- We can join in on CentralNotice to help find people
- Possible location:
- https://www.rdu.com/observation-park/
- Is it noisy because of the planes? Probably not
- Is there shade? Yes
- Some photos:
- Boxyard RTP: https://boxyard.rtp.org
- Raleigh Art Museum: https://ncartmuseum.org/
- Garden: https://ncartmuseum.org/visit/museum-park/
- We could ask them if they have stuff in their collectionns they need Wikipedia articles about
- We could look into the coverage of the stuff that they have on Wikipedia
- Last two events have been at Chapel Hill, so stategically it would be a good idea to be in Durham or Raleigh
- Can we get food paid for? Maybe!
- Durham Farmers Market (https://www.durhamfarmersmarket.com/)
- https://www.rdu.com/observation-park/
- Dates?
- Tuesday, August 6 from 5pm to 7pm works well for people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NC/Triangle_Wiknic_2024)
- Activities
- Offline editing! Look up photo, write down description on paper, and then someone can type them in later ("analog editing", "hybrid editing")
June 25, 2024 - North Carolina Wikipedians meeting - good idea to read Charter draft beforehand
editAgenda:
- Discussing user group vote for Wikimedia Movement Charter:
- Last meeting did not reach consensus for our vote
- Final text: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter
- Comments for vote: YES with reservations
- Yes with reservations. We support in principle adopting a charter empowering a global council, in recognition of the global and volunteer character of the Wikimedia movement. However, we expect the need for possibly substantial amendments to address community concerns. To that end, we encourage easing the process of amendment to make the charter more of a living document for at least an initial period.
- make living document? allow changes for 5 years? (per narwhal) **expect to iterate/improve over first few years, free the process of amendment
- big process questions are unclear: if no, what then? if yes, what then?
- amendment process questions -- is it too high a bar to clear? too easy?
- General discussion notes:
- think about twitter example -- could a breakaway group of people set up an alternative and defect?
- global nature of the movement vs power concentrated in US in the Foundation
- worth seeing how things shake out
- "I trust the spirit in which it was created and the people who created it"
- Possible feedback that our group would include in our vote:
- "We think a charter should exist. We can not support this actual charter (content), but we support the idea of a charter - we think that the movement should have a charter."
- Should state principles; should empower a global council, recognizing the global scope and volunteer nature of the wikimedia movement
- We support the existence of the global council, in recognition of the fact that this is a global movement, and a volunteer/community-based movement
- "the charter needs to be narrower in scope. This charter attempts to do too much."
- “Approve this charter, but ask the organization to take account of the considerations raised in this process”
- global council: who are they? is there staff? needs to be consistent
- Recommend explicit attention to communicating the charter and to implementing the structures defined in the charter.
June 11, 2024 - North Carolina Wikipedians monthly meeting
editAttending: Emily, Richard, Morgan, Max, Jennifer Agenda:
- discussing the ratification of the Wikimedia Movement Charter:
1. Select someone from our group to be our voter (Max) 2. Discuss how we'd like to vote
- voting is open: June 25 to July 9
- English version of the final Charter text: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter
- Need folks to sign up for facilitating and note-taking at future meetings!
- Charter info:
- we, as an affiliate, will need to select one person to vote on our behalf in the ratification process, and then we'll be asked to vote on whether or not to ratify the charter.
- Open question: relationship between Charter and NC Wikipedians' interest
- General support of enthusiasm toward Charter
- Didn't really begin to reach consensus
- Hosting Wiknic?
- TBD
May 14, 2024
editNorth Carolina Wikipedians monthly meeting
- Attending: Gaurav, Jennifer, Emily, Morgan, Max, Richard (User:Pharos)
- Agenda:
- Introduction
- New meeting format:
- Use etherpad to collect notes
- In each meeting, we'll start with an introduction and ask each member how they want to be recorded in the notes
- Debriefs
- Annual report: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Wikipedians/reports#2023
- Wikimedia Summit [Morgan]
- Voting for Movement Charter will take place between June 25 to July 9, 2024! **
- Here's the current draft of the Charter: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter
- The FAQs page for the Charter is really helpful: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Frequently_Asked_Questions
- For example: "What happens if the Charter is not ratified?" https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_happens_if_the_Charter_is_not_ratified?
- How are they going to hand over future Summits to the Affiliates?
- Smaller and separate track
- Meta page about this work: "Future of Affiliate Gatherings" https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Future_of_Affiliate_Gatherings
- slides with results of the survey are here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Future_of_Affiliate_Gatherings_-_Survey_report_2024.pdf
- Would you endorse the Charter?
- Tentatively yes
- Earth Day in Carrboro [Max]
- About 10 people came by: UNC students who have edited, a kid who dragged his father
- Had fun chatting with people
- The banner is very effective!
- Would be great to do this again
- The Geonotice was VERY helpful in bringing in new people
- Upcoming events/plans
- North America Hub next Monday night (https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/NARWHAL/May_2024)
- RDU meetup in Fall?
- Wiknic 2024 approaches: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiknic
- Max needs someone to take photos of Utah vs NC soccer game (this weekend)
- North America Hub next Monday night (https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/NARWHAL/May_2024)
- Work related to NC WikiPix 2022
- Cleanup instructions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SHz0G8jS2QqAZR4MLUF6JUndpKPsB8q_NLI-AXF8cmM/edit
- Images to check: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NiBmuf5auQCjhPwAsG1kLbywLhumAUWqsrs3_5cGzSE/edit#gid=1066616149
- Podcast episode about one of the co-founders of the Duke Lemurs center https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-122-professor-quaalude-9-13-2019/
- Next meeting: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 7pm ET
- Facilitator: Emily
- Notetaker: Max
Summit Takeaways
edit- key links for Movement Charter info:
- Monthly Updates from the Drafting Committee:
- As of mid-May, the MCDC is:
- considering feedback, and working to update the final version of the Movement Charter between April 30 and mid-May. Then, the Charter will go through more preparatory phases, including copy-editing review, legal review, and translations.
Next Steps for the Movement Charter
edit- The final Movement Charter text is expected to be shared in the third week of June.
- The Movement-wide ratification vote on the Movement Charter will take place between June 25 to July 9, 2024.
- The Charter will be voted on by among others: Individual contributors, affiliates, and the Board of Trustees of the WMF.
- Voter eligibility guidelines - will be the same as for Wikimedia Foundation elections 2022 : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Voter_eligibility_guidelines
- Example of guidelines for that election:
- To qualify, this one account must:
- not be blocked in more than one project;
- and not be a bot;
- and have made at least 300 edits before 5 July 2022 across Wikimedia wikis;
- and have made at least 20 edits between 5 January 2022 and 5 July 2022
- there's also an AccountEligibility tool - I haven't tried it yet! https://meta.toolforge.org/accounteligibility/63
- To qualify, this one account must:
Outputs and documentation from the Summit
editThe full documentation of the event will be published by the end of June 2024.
Meta Page with information on the outcomes, the evaluation survey, and photos from the conference days:
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2024#Final_Outputs_of_the_Wikimedia_Summit_2024
- List of outputs that were included in voting: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2024#Final_Outputs_of_the_Wikimedia_Summit_2024
- Photos of documentation, including outputs created during the event: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Summit_2024_documentation
- PDFs of the giant posters that were used for/by the various topic groups: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:WMS2024_GW1_Online_Topic-Feedback.pdf&page=1
Especially interesting :
- Program page has the full schedule, and (links to recorded sessions? maybe not links actually!)
- this page gives a sense of the various steps in the process, and how feedback was gathered and processed!
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2024/Program
- List of Dealbreakers - (at the top, in the list of voting results from the last day) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2024#Deal-breakers
- Topic Groups https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2024/Topic_groups
- I was in Topic Group 2: Global Council: Global Council and WMF
- this group processed feedback for this area in the charter: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/One-page_draft#Wikimedia_Movement_Bodies
- There was some interesting overlap between this group, and the topic group: "Global Council: Purpose and resources [Purpose statement; Global Council budget, Global Council staffing]"
- I was in Topic Group 2: Global Council: Global Council and WMF
- Topic Groups https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2024/Topic_groups
April 9, 2024
editNorth Carolina Wikipedians annual business meeting
action items:
- MM will create an etherpad version of NC Wikipedians leadership structure doc,
- DONE - see below
- and MM will also add this to our Meta pages
agenda: This will be our annual business meeting, where we'll talk about our annual report covering the events of the last year, which is due April 30. We'll also talk about leadership for the user group for the year ahead.
And we'll do any last planning or prep for our Earth Day meetup on the lawn at Weaver Street Market in Carrboro, which will take place on Tuesday, April 23, from 5:30 to 7:30. If you're planning to attend, please add yourself to the list of attendees!
At our last meeting we made plans to hold an informal, drop-in-style meet-up at Weaver Street Market in Carrboro as an Earth Day event. It will be outside on the lawn, and folks are invited to come and go as they please. BYO laptop if you want to edit or ask questions about editing, but it's also cool to just come and talk about whatever Wikimedia topics arise!
links: