Requests for comment/Racism at Azerbaijani Wikipedia
The following request for comments is closed. Please participate in the broader discussions over Requests for comment/Do something about azwiki. Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good evening, colleagues. In my absence as an author, I noticed something during the review of other language Wikipedias. I was surprised that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't have noticed it yet. I know that the English Wikipedia, for example, has lower quality requirements than German ones. The Eastern-European Wikipedia administrators are often even openly nationalist minded, the Arabic-speaking, Persian and Turkish Wikipedias give larger importance to religion. However, it becomes particularly questionable if the encyclopedia is misused as a platform for historical revisionism and open war-propaganda. For instance, in the Azerbaijani-speaking Wikipedia the Armenian genocide is called "Armenian genocide lie" (not even the Turkish Wikipedia is calling it a lie as a page name), and the Armenian minority in Turkey instead is accused of a "genocide to the Turks" which is not only an absurd fact-twisting but also a mockery of the victims. However, categorisations such as "Armenian hypocrisy/lies" and the article "Armenian Terrorism" knock the bottom out of the barrel and cross the border to racism. Recently, an admin has moved all articles related to the Khojaly massacre to "Genocide in Khodzhali" and blocked the page for editing. Generally, every massacre of Azerbaijanis is called genocide, what ridicules scientific standards about genocides. I would like to tell these strange, openly racist distortions of facts to Wikimedia, but I do not know how. I would be grateful if an administrator with knowledge of Turkish or Azerbaijani would control it. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Franz Kasulke (talk)
- I suppose that Azerbaijani Wikipedia community is less active comparing, e.g., to English and Russian Wikipedias, and, due to its size, their admins stand with the Azerbaijani government which denies and fails to recognize Armenian Genocide. --Agusbou2015 (talk) 14:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all the pages and move the wiki back to the Incubator. "So-called"? It happened, for god(dess(es)?'|s'|'s) sake. Deal with the fact that your precious Ottoman Empire committed war crimes. Lojbanist (talk) 01:00, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- As far as I know, content-wise Meta does not intervene in local projects, i.e. it's up to the community of a certain language to decide. Am I wrong? --1l2l3k (talk) 21:45, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Meta can intervene in a local Wiki if it contradicts WMF principles and/or legal issues. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:39, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Franz Kasulke, the topic Armenian genocide is controversial and you can not say that it has benn exactly. If you say that, it will be only your opinion. Because many references, which show that it is "qondarma", are given in the article . Secondly, it is meaningless to think that events in Khojali was massacre or genocide. In Azerbaijani language it is know with name "soyqırım" (genocide). And common name is more important. If you want talk about antiracisim, firstly delete this map from HyWiki! This map is used only on HyWiki! Scandal!--White DemΩn (el psy congroo) 11:49, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @White Demon: Nice Whataboutism, Mr. Admin. In your opinion, this map is a scandal, but calling Armenia "Western Azerbaijan" throughout the Azerbaijani Wikipedia, is not a scandal. I am not an Armenian by the way, but this is just preposterous.--Franz Kasulke (talk) 23:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact Meta had taken action against the Chechen Wikipedia for having a similar problem way back... WhisperToMe (talk) 20:39, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @White Demon: Nice Whataboutism, Mr. Admin. In your opinion, this map is a scandal, but calling Armenia "Western Azerbaijan" throughout the Azerbaijani Wikipedia, is not a scandal. I am not an Armenian by the way, but this is just preposterous.--Franz Kasulke (talk) 23:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Systematic Pan-Turkism and Turko-Fascism in Azerbaizani Wikipedias @Franz Kasulke: For proving my claim, I have a historical example. There was a political Azerbaijani state-based propaganda campaign which wanted to Turkicize and Azerificate non-Turkic and non-Azeri prominent historical figures, such as Persian poet Nizami Ganjavi and another Persian legendary figure and warior Babak Khoramdin. The propaganda campaigen somhow was extended to Azerbaijani wikipedias, possibly by Azerbaijani sate-related adminstrators. It is a following of the same political propaganda act as in Campaign on granting Nizami the status of the national poet of Azerbaijan. This not just about Azrification of non-Azeri figures even they Azerificated or Turkicized some non-Turkic ancient ethnicities or cultural issues such as Medes (Median people) and Parthians which are Indo-Iranian people and non-Turkic. This is an exact forgery of history, state propaganda, and racism. Hereby, I want a deep investigation and dismissal of all admins who are involved and supportive of these inappropriate actions. Regards. The Stray Dog (talk) 08:49, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Stray Dog, Agusbou2015, Lojbanist, and Nihlus: Unfortunately, there is no reaction even after four months... I also mentioned it in the German Wikipedia but it didn't get a notice. This case is serious. It is open racism and a harsh contradiction against the principles and basics of Wikipedia.--Franz Kasulke (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]