Requests for new languages/Wikinews Kurdish (Sorani)

submitted	verification	final decision

	This language has been verified as eligible. The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval. If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval. A committee member provided the following comment: Project is eligible. Please contribute at incubator:Wn/ckb. For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 23:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:

What	Value	Example / Explanation

Proposal
Language code	ckb (SIL, Glottolog)	A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name	Central Kurdish	Language name in English
Language name	کوردیی ناوەندی	Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item	Q36811 - item has currently the following values: English label: Sorani native label (P1705): کوردیی ناوەندی, سۆرانی, کوردی instance of (P31)/subclass of (P279): language, modern language / Kurdish Wikimedia language code (P424): ckb writing system (P282): Arabic alphabet, Kurdish alphabets, Arabic script, Kurdish Arabic alphabet number of speakers, writers, or signers (P1098): 7,250,000	Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality	RTL	Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links		Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL	ckb.wikinews.org	langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name	ویکیھەواڵ	"Wikinews" in your language
Project namespace	ویکیھەواڵ	usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace	لێدوانی_ویکیھەواڵ	"Wikinews talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads	yes	Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin"). Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo	File:Ckb-Wikinews-logo-135px.svg	This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone	UTC	"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces	بۆچوون	For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings		Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Proposal

Bulleted list item Sorani and Kurmanci are the two major dialects of Kurdish language. They are different in both grammar and vocabulary. People of these dialects may understand each other but they are not able to speak and write in the other one. Unlike Kurmancis that use Latin script, Soranis prefer to use Arabic script.

Language facts:

Number of speakers: more than 8 million.
Locations spoken: Iraq and Iran.
Related languages: Iranian Languages.
Kurmanji and Sorani are linguistically sufficiently different.
Kurdish (Sorani) is the second official language in Iraq now and using in Iraqi Council of Representatives.

Discussion

Arguments in favour

Support Support Muhammed taha 04:08, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Support --Diyar se (talk) 20:52, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Support --Twana.ismail (talk) 21:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Sarchia Banokay (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Kushared (talk) 06:07, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Calak (talk) 17:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Ferxwaz (talk) 21:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Marmzok (talk) 09:54, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support 217.218.42.228 14:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support You guys rok!!! --CasetteTapeMaster (talk) 04:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support Lost Whispers (talk) 13:26, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- The Central Kurdish community are pretty active in Wiki projects. TerranBoy (talk) 03:11, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Nskoalj (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against

Oppose Kurdish users are not active enough in Wikimedia projects. --Doostdar (talk) 13:57, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not yet ~~until multiple Wikinews projects are revitalized or popular for the first time.~~ --George Ho (talk) 05:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC); mostly struck, 16:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @George Ho: you're making no sense. So just because other Wikinews projects aren't active enough, we shouldn't have our own project?--Épine (talk) 14:45, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Changed my reason to "per Doostdar". --George Ho (talk) 16:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, there are 50+ active users, according to List of Wikipedias. Kurdish Wikibooks has no administrators and four active users; Kurdish Wiktionary has 35 active users at the moment. --George Ho (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - @George Ho: so just because the other dialects of Kurdish are not active enough in their projects we don't have the right to have and grow ours? This is still not a proper way to judge.--Épine (talk) 16:11, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - You said: "we don't have the right to have and grow ours?" That's not exactly what I was saying. Also, it's not the language, which I totally respect (though don't understand). It's just... why waste investment on another Wikinews? This year, Norwegian Wikinews was "soft closed" per discussion for insufficient (if not lack of) activity; Swedish Wikinews did the same thing several years prior. If Kurdish Wikinews were to establish, then it would be "soft closed" years later if it becomes less active (if not inactive) and then more prone to vandalism. --George Ho (talk) 17:41, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]