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Requests for new languages/Wikinews Literary Chinese

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submitted verification final decision

This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

As noted below, LPP specifically excludes projects in historical languages other than Wikisource projects. LangCom has no interest in making an exception for this. See also one other closing comment below. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code lzh (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Literary Chinese Language name in English
Language name 文言文 Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q37041 - item has currently the following values:
 Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality no indication Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL lzh.wikinews.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name "Wikinews" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikinews talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Asia/Taipei "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Proposal

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Literary Chinese as a language is spoken in Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and some other countries with the script Han.

Arguments

Literary Chinese is one of the offical language of Mainland China and Taiwan and the second official language of Hong Kong. It is a nationally recognised language in Macau. It is also spoken in Malaysia, Singapore, United Nations and APEC. Literary Chinese is 8th most spoken language in India and 3rd most spoken language in China. It is spoken by 6 million speakers all over the world. Literary Chinese should be added in Wikinews so the Literary Chinese speakers also can utilise the wiki.

Discussion

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Oppose If Latin can even not have a Wikinews per langcom policy, then why for lzh? --2409:8902:9021:3DF1:A3DD:8834:8A97:9962 03:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment CommentThere is no doubt that this proposal will be rejected by the language committee because it's not conform to the Language proposal policy#Specific issues: "ANCIENT OR HISTORICAL LANGUAGES: ONLY WIKISOURCE wikis in ancient or historical languages ARE ACCEPTED".--el caballero de los Leones (talk) 04:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Closing comment

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To be transparent, WMF is not walking away from Wikinews as a concept at all. But to be equally transparent, Wikinews projects tend to be especially difficult to maintain. For that reason, LangCom is particularly reluctant to consider policy exceptions for Wikinews projects. My personal recommendation is to continue to run the news subproject (lzh:分類:既刊) that you mentioned above and let it thrive there. If it truly becomes big enough within the lzh Wikipedia that you think it should be spun off, LangCom may be willing to consider that question at that point in time. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: there are only a few pages in the test project on Incubator. But if you'd like to have them moved into the lzh Wikipedia somewhere, we can arrange that. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
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