Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Balinese
Balinese Wikipedia
edit- See also the second (closed) and third request (approved).
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This proposal has been closed as part of a reform of the request process. This request has not necessarily been rejected, and new requests are welcome. This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy. The closing committee member provided the following comment: This discussion was created before the implementation of the Language proposal policy, and it is incompatible with the policy. Please open a new proposal in the format this page has been converted to (see the instructions). Do not copy discussion wholesale, although you are free to link to it or summarise it (feel free to copy your own comments over). —{admin} Pathoschild 21:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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- Number of speakers: 3.8 million people mostly in Indonesia
Arguments in favour
edit- Support - Belgian man (nl na en) 08:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- Support but if exist native users. --Taichi - (あ！) 23:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
- Support, but enough native or advanced speakers must be found. Create a Test/ban will show if this new wiki can really exist, or may be only a dream. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 13:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Meursault2004 15:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC) (id), but indeed if native speakers would be willing to maintain it. I speak and read some Balinese. In fact written High Balinese shares the same vocabulary as Javanese. But I already have to maintain several Wikipedias.
- Supportnl:Boudewijn Idema, 19:11, 1 March (UTC)
- Support - a lot of native speakers. Kenwilliams 19:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - However, native speakers willing to contribute plus a user who assumes responsibilty for this request are needed. That goes without saying, I think. Arbeo 18:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support - I think Balinese should have wikipedia, cause it have 3.8 native speaker
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09:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC) - Support - and see Balinese Test Wiki, Slamet Serayu
- Support - Instead beautiful island, Balinese also need their own wikipedia --Andri.h 17:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Arguments against
edit- Oppose. The Balinese were being unfair on en:Schapelle Corby. Why give those idiots a Wikipedia? Scott Gall 07:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I oppose Scott Gall's politically motivated opposition. --Node ue 06:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I oppose that opposition of Scott's opposition. I've only just heard of Schapelle Corby's plight and I've heard how dirty their jails are. I'm lucky never to have been in a jail, except to visit my uncle, who was put away for drink-driving back in 1996. NazismIsntCool 23:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS: If I were the judge, I would have set Schapelle free.
- No more of those stories about your family. I already know about that fight you had with your sister and the noise control coming down on you, and your father dying in the Boxing Day tsunamis. Speaking of the Boxing Day tsunamis, the Australians were very generous to Banda Aceh afterwards, and 4 or 5 months down the line the Balinese didn't even show any indifference towards Schapelle Corby. Scott Gall 07:15, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Hey Scott Gall, first of all what a group of people do gives you no right to say that they should not have their language on wikipedia. There are mnay terrorists who speak Arabic and there is Arabic on wikipedia. Secondly, if you saw the trial from an unbiased (not influenced by Australian/Western media) view she is definately guilty.
- I think the drugs were planted by someone from the Brisbane Airport to be taken to the Sydney Airport, and the guy at Sydney forgot to remove them, and the Indonesian judges failed to see it that way. If the Indonesians were telling the truth, then Shapelle would have had to buy lots of expensive gadgets to mask the smell. Scott Gall 03:49, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS: What I was saying is if they got a Wikipedia, they would use it to push their POV (which didn't happen on ar:.) 4n|) s1g|\| j00r |º0sts, n00b.
- Do you know that it didn't happen on ar:? What, you can read Arabic now? Certainly, ar: pages are generally more biased towards a certain POV than he: pages. And there is already an Indonesian Wikipedia... why not delete that while we're at it since they're pushing their "wrong" POV about Schapelle Corby? Not being Australian, I've not heard much of Schapelle Corby, but I'm guessing that coverage in the Australian media was heavily biased, as is US reporting on the war in Iraq, Serbian reporting on the Srebrenica massacre, Japanese literature about the Rape of Nanking, British reporting about the Falkland Islands, Bulgarian reporting about the Libyan-Bulgarian crisis (involving what Bulgaria sees as an outrageously unfair indictment of innocent people... I'd rather not make a judgement in that case though). Regardless of what you think, it's obviously very possible that this Corby bloke is guilty. --Node ue 06:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- It's probably the NPOV policy on ar: (which, as you noted, was a bit lax and should have let the peaceful lot block the terrorist-like POV-pushers. There are POV-pushers on en: but we usually sort them out quite quickly. Scott Gall 06:11, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I'm an Australian, and the coverage on commercial Australian media was very biased - the ABC and SBS were less so. I would like to extend an apology to anyone offended by Australian comments during the case - the Indonesian court system must be respected by all internationals tried in its courts.
- It's probably the NPOV policy on ar: (which, as you noted, was a bit lax and should have let the peaceful lot block the terrorist-like POV-pushers. There are POV-pushers on en: but we usually sort them out quite quickly. Scott Gall 06:11, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Do you know that it didn't happen on ar:? What, you can read Arabic now? Certainly, ar: pages are generally more biased towards a certain POV than he: pages. And there is already an Indonesian Wikipedia... why not delete that while we're at it since they're pushing their "wrong" POV about Schapelle Corby? Not being Australian, I've not heard much of Schapelle Corby, but I'm guessing that coverage in the Australian media was heavily biased, as is US reporting on the war in Iraq, Serbian reporting on the Srebrenica massacre, Japanese literature about the Rape of Nanking, British reporting about the Falkland Islands, Bulgarian reporting about the Libyan-Bulgarian crisis (involving what Bulgaria sees as an outrageously unfair indictment of innocent people... I'd rather not make a judgement in that case though). Regardless of what you think, it's obviously very possible that this Corby bloke is guilty. --Node ue 06:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I think the drugs were planted by someone from the Brisbane Airport to be taken to the Sydney Airport, and the guy at Sydney forgot to remove them, and the Indonesian judges failed to see it that way. If the Indonesians were telling the truth, then Shapelle would have had to buy lots of expensive gadgets to mask the smell. Scott Gall 03:49, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS: What I was saying is if they got a Wikipedia, they would use it to push their POV (which didn't happen on ar:.) 4n|) s1g|\| j00r |º0sts, n00b.
- Hey Scott Gall, first of all what a group of people do gives you no right to say that they should not have their language on wikipedia. There are mnay terrorists who speak Arabic and there is Arabic on wikipedia. Secondly, if you saw the trial from an unbiased (not influenced by Australian/Western media) view she is definately guilty.
- No more of those stories about your family. I already know about that fight you had with your sister and the noise control coming down on you, and your father dying in the Boxing Day tsunamis. Speaking of the Boxing Day tsunamis, the Australians were very generous to Banda Aceh afterwards, and 4 or 5 months down the line the Balinese didn't even show any indifference towards Schapelle Corby. Scott Gall 07:15, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I oppose that opposition of Scott's opposition. I've only just heard of Schapelle Corby's plight and I've heard how dirty their jails are. I'm lucky never to have been in a jail, except to visit my uncle, who was put away for drink-driving back in 1996. NazismIsntCool 23:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS: If I were the judge, I would have set Schapelle free.
- I oppose Scott Gall's politically motivated opposition. --Node ue 06:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose as long as no native speakers express their support and the proposer does pop up. Caesarion 13:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose in line with Caesarion. If native speakers show up, sure! Though it would be nice to have it in Balinese alphabet, which Unicode doesn't support just yet... --Node ue 13:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
- The Balinese alphabet isn't used anymore, Node. Belgian man (nl na en) 20:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, it still is used ceremonially and also on some streets signs. I can provide you pictures if you want to. Furthermore Unicode has already reserved some space for Balinese alphabet. I met some people from IBM Indonesia two years ago in a seminar on Bali, they have created a font and they were going to consult Unicode. Meursault2004 15:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Such street pictures would be interesting for nl:Balinees alfabet... You know me as C&T on nl:.Belgian man (nl na en) 19:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)