Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Old Tupi

submitted	verification	final decision

	This proposal has been rejected. This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page. A committee member provided the following comment: Current LPP policy does not allow Wikipedia for extinct languages and Old Tupi is an extinct language. --Sotiale (talk) 12:04, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:

What	Value	Example / Explanation

Proposal
Language code	tpw (SIL, Glottolog)	A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name	Old Tupi	Language name in English
Language name	Abanhe'enga	Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item	Q56944 - item has currently the following values: English label: Tupi native label (P1705): instance of (P31)/subclass of (P279): dead language, extinct language, language, dialect / Tupi–Guarani Wikimedia language code (P424): tup writing system (P282): Latin script number of speakers, writers, or signers (P1098): 0	Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality	LTR	Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links		Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL	tpw.wikipedia.org	langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name	Gûikipetã	"Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace	Gûikipetã	usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace	Gûkipetã nhe'ẽpoepykaba	"Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads	yes	Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin"). Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo	File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-tpw5.2.svg	This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone	America/Sao_Paulo	"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces		For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings		Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Proposal

Old Tupi is an important historical and cultural language in Brazil. It was the first language Portuguese navigators had contact with and the most spoken language in Brazil until 1758 when the Marquis of Pombal, Sebastião José de Carvalho e Melo, forbade the use of the language. Today, Tupi is present in toponymy. But despite that, many people don't see the relevance that Tupi brought to Brazilian culture. That's why I make this request to add Old Tupi, to promote and give people more interest in the study of this language. It is possible to write articles in Old Tupi, as there are many sources through which many words and detailed grammar are known and a lot of people who know how to speak; so I believe Tupi deserves a chance. --NoKiAthami (talk) 20:38, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Have you read incubator:Incubator:Administrators'_noticeboard#Unable_to_create_a_page? This is an Extinct language so it violates LPP§4. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see a problem here. Why don't extinct languages have a right to exist on Wikipedia? This language has a huge database, so full articles can be written in it. Also, this language was quite common in Brazil, and has a very important cultural significance for South America. Wikipedias in Gothic and Old English exist. These are extinct languages, and they died out much earlier than Old Tupi. How is Old Tupi any worse than these languages? --Gleb Zajarski (talk) 05:39, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  @Gleb Zajarski You may want to read LPP#Ancient or historical languages, only Wikisource in those languages are allowed, those grandfathered examples you mentioned are created before establishing the policy. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  @Liuxinyu970226 What's the reasons for this rule? Can you tell me or show me where I can find the reasons for that? NoKiAthami (talk) 22:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  @NoKiAthami You may want to ask this member on why. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:51, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]