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submitted verification final decision

This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

A committee member provided the following comment:

  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code skr (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Saraiki Language name in English
Language name سرائیکی Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q33902 - item has currently the following values:
 Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality no indication Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL skr.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name وکیپیڈیا "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace وکیپیڈیا usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace وکیپیڈیا ڳالھ مہاڑ "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-skr.png This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Asia/Islamabad "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Proposal

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History Of Saraiki This is the first web site about Saraiki language and culture on World Wide Web to promote Saraiki language and culture all across the world. Saraiki is the most widely spoken language in Pakistan and the first language of more than 40 million people in the subcontinent. Saraiki is the 61st largest language out of more than 6000 languages in the world. It has a very rich culture and is the representative language of Sindh Valley Civilization. The main Saraiki speaking areas are Multan, Bahawalpur, Dera Ghazi Khan, Dera Ismail Khan and most parts of Sargodha division. Saraiki is also spoken widely in Sindh and Baluchistan provinces of Pakistan. It has many sweet dialects and is considered as the language of love.

Saraiki is the language of love and literature. Rich cultural context and diversity of expression in the language have enabled Saraiki poets and prose writers to produce literature masterpieces. Saraiki poetry has different themes. Love for beloved and love for land can be identified as major ones. Sufi poets have used this language not only to speak to people but also to God. Saraiki people have a natural flair for poetry and literature. Most of the Saraiki literature is unrecorded for the reason that no formal patronage has been provided to poets and writers. Before the inception of Pakistan, Saraiki was written in Devnagri script and converting to Arabic/ Persian script resulted in the loss of a substantial part of literature.

During last two centuries, Saraiki motherland has produced a lot of legendary poets. Khawaja Ghulam Farid, Sachal Sarmast and Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai are some of famous Saraiki poets which are known world wide for their universal message of love.


Saraiki is the widely spoken language in Pakistan, especially in central Pakistan. How are you? = tuhaada kiaa haal hay? = تہاݙا کیا حال ہِے۔ I am fine. = changa haal hay.=چنگا حال ہے Welcome! = bismillaah Sain!= بسم اللہ سائیں Thanks! = meharbani = مہرٻانی Where are you going? = Tusaan kidde vende peway? = تساں کݙے وینڈے پیوے؟ I don't know = Menku kaini pata =میکوں کینی پتہ Throw your card! (When playing cards) = Panna satt way! =پنا سٹ وے. When you will go?. Tusan kaddan weso? = تساں کݙن ویسو؟ I am thirsty. = میکوں تڑیھڑ لڳی ہے Now i go = hunr mai venda. ہݨ میں ویندا

References

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Arguments in favour

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  •   Support .. Saraiki is one of the leading languages of Southern Punjab and Kpk, District Tank and Dera Ismail Khan. Saraiki has rich history, culture, literature, poetry, art and heritage. Saraiki is a language of great antiquity in Pakistan. It also remained the dialect of commerce and trade until recent times. Today, Millions of people from North Sindh, South Punjab, South Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and Eastern Balochistan province speak Saraiki. so I support this wiki. sraiki
  •   Support .. The Seraiki has molded itself into a new language, The Seraiki language spoken in Sindh has impact of Sindhi language and the Seraiki spoken in Punjab, Pakistan has impact of Punjabi language, despite this fact that Seraiki language spoken in Sindh is derived from Sindhi language and is considered as a Sindhi language dialect, and Seraiki language spoken in Panjab is derived from the Punjabi, hence the Seraiki language fulfills all its requirements to be a new and separate language...Jogi don (talk) 03:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support..Sraiki is a difrent language.Many saraiki people want to use wikipedia in Saraiki.So please help saraki people.
  •   Support..Saraiki is the first language of 20 million people in Pakistan, ranging across the South Punjab, southern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, and border regions of North Sindh and Eastern Balochistan. Saraiki has rich history, culture, literature, poetry, art and heritage. Saraiki is a language of great antiquity in Pakistan. It also remained the dialect of commerce and trade until recent times. Today, Millions of people from North Sindh, South Punjab, South Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and Eastern Balochistan province speak Saraiki. I am a Native speaker of this language and I support Saraiki Wiki project. Special:MyLanguage/ محمد جنید حفیظ کھوسہ (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support Saraiki is widely spoken in many parts of Pakistan specially northern side of Pakistani Punjab, Upper Sindh and some parts of Baluchistan. Moreover, latest developments of Saraiki include keyboards for Android phones, e-books, and increased use on Facebook. That's why I support Saraiki Wikipedia to be created too.--مھتاب احمد (talk) 13:39, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Strong support Apart from Punjabi, Saraiki is the other important language spoken by majority of the people in Punjab. In geographical terms, the area where Saraiki language is spoken stretches from Punjab to Sindh, and towards the areas of Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (former Sarhad). — Bukhari (Talk!) 11:20, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Strong supportlrc lori (talk) 03:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support. Enough activity for three years. Little community but alive. Цареник Костович (talk) 15:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against

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saraiki and punjabi are same so please not create this

  • Labelling Saraiki a language is controversial. Let us see what your favourite sources say. "the Punjabis claim that Siraiki is a dialect of Punjabi source Rahman 1995. Language Claim continues to be disputed by many Punjabi speakers who regard it as a dialect of Punjabi" source Lewis, Simons & Fennig 2016 Historically It is considered a dialect of Panjabi."; source Shackle 2003. Even most of Saraiki Potwari and Hindko claim themselves as Punjabi. In last Census 75% of Punjab population opted itselfs Punjabi despite Saraiki, Potwari and Hindko tick options. Punjab province population is 56% of the Pakistan. So by default majority of Pakistani see Saraiki as dialect of Punjabi. Left aside Punjabis or Pakistani or Saraiki. Even Linguists George Cardona put it under Punjabi. Grierson puts it under Western Punjabi. Masica 1991 used Variety of Lahnda (western Punjabi).

Actually Cardona has a list of Indic languages and the dialects that comprise them, which would be useful for all articles on indo aryan languages and being a local person I 100% agree with him because this list is truly based on the principle that the term 'language' has to be distinguished from the term 'dialect' only on the basis of mutual intangibility. I am listing them as under Punjabi= 129 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Indian and Pakistani Punjab including Majhi, Doabi, Hindko, Dogri, Potwari and Saraiki. Sindhi= 20 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Pakistani Sindh (Lari, Vicholi, Sureli and Lasi) and Kachhi of North Gujrat. Marathi= 75 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Indian State Maharashter excluding Khandeshi. Gujrati= 45 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Indian State Gujrat excluding Bhilli. Hindi =420 Million Speakers (2001) comprising dialects of Indian States of Dehli,UP, Haryana, Rajhastan, Bihar, CP and Chatisgarh Bangala= 230 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Indian State Bengal and Bangladesh. Oriya= 34 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Indian State Orrisa. Assamees= 17 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Indian State Assam. Nepali= 15 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Nepal. Sinhali= 14 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Sri lanka excluding Tamil. Konkani= 2 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Indian State Goa. Kashmiri= 5 Million Speakers (2001) comprising all dialects of Indian occupied Disputed Kashmir Valley. I took a look at Cardona and though his entire discussion of Saraiki (he spells it Siraiki) is subsumed under Punjabi, he does seem to treat Saraiki differently from other dialects. My impression is that, in modern Pakistan, Saraiki is considered to be a variant of Punjabi.Like the Hindization of North Indian languages, there is a parallel Punjabization of languages in the Punjab region of Pakistan. Anyway, that's the scoop from Cardona. PROFESSIONAL ADVISE

Discussion

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How different is Saraiki from Western Punjabi? PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • sir I am working on Pakistani languages Wiki Projects, the Saraiki language is totally different with Western Punjabi i.e? ٻ,ڄ,ݙ,ڳ,‏ݨ‏ are the special characters of Saraiki language-- Rehmat Aziz Chitrali 08:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am native Saraiki. Saraiki is entire different from Western Punjabi and Sindhi.

see https://books.google.com.pk/books/about/Glossary_of_the_Multani_Language_Compare.html?id=y-3_VssgWxMC&redir_esc=y sraiki.

  • The Seraiki has molded itself into a new language, The Seraiki language spoken in Sindh has impact of Sindhi language and the Seraiki spoken in Punjab, Pakistan has impact of Punjabi language Seraiki , despite this fact that Seraiki language spoken in Sindh is derived from Sindhi language and is considered as a Sindhi language dialect, and Seraiki language spoken in Panjab is derived from the Punjabi, hence the Seraiki language fulfills all its requirements to be a new and separate language.Jogi don (talk) 03:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • So, this is "Approval ongoing" for 3 months, and still not approved. Despite the sanctions from US Federal Governments to Islamic Republic of Iran governments, do we know if there are Iranian linguistics to verify this test project? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Saraiki is a dialect, not language. please don't create wikipedia saraiki

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Saraiki is not a language itself, it is a Dialect of Punjabi. So in my view saraiki wikibooks should not be started because there is already Punjabi wikipedia and wikibooks. Here are the characters of Punjabi Script of Punjabi Language which writes saraiki dialect of Punjabi and whole Punjabi properly. ا آ ب ٻ پ ت ٹ ث ج ڄ چ ح خ د ڊ ڈ ݙ ذ ر ڑ ز ژ س ش ص ض ط ظ ع غ ف ق ک ݢ گ ڳ ل ݪ م ن ݨ ں و ہ ھ ء ی ے —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rana Zubair Punjabi (talk) 10:12, 31. March 2019 (UTC)

@Rana Zubair Punjabi: What balderdash? — Bukhari (Talk!) 07:30, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

localisation information

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  • Most work has been done. So wiki be approved and created.
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latest and updated Logo of Saraiki Wikipedia

Here's the logo, text content provided by me: "ویکیپیڈیا", " آزاد بھوم ڳوجھی ". Rachitrali (discussion • contribs) --RAChitrali --RAChitrali 09:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question prior to approval

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LangCom has some questions to ask the community of the Wp/skr test. Please see the questions at incubator:Talk:Wp/skr/پہلا پرت#Approval issue for the community. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:44, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Settings

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User:Engr.ismailbhutta, User:Sraiki, User:Saraikikhan and other contributors: Langcom intends to approve the creation of Saraiki Wikipedia soon. For that, could you please check whether the settings the table at the beginning of the page are all correct (such as the localized project name, the logo, the namespace translations)? --MF-W 22:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC) User:MF-WarburgAll is ok. ThanksSraiki (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. Engr.ismailbhutta (talk) 07:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please see phabricator:T268410#6649090: "According to WMF Board's licensing policy (https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy), any project with local uploads enabled needs to have an exemption doctrine policy, that describes under which conditions can non-free media be uploaded. Can you please link that policy as well (prepared either at incubator or meta), so we can review it?

It can also be done at any point in the future."

"I'd like to also ask for a SVG version of the logo. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Wikipedia-logo-v2-skr.png cannot be used, because it is a) too small (the minimum is 270px * 310px, and we strongly prefer a SVG version) b) it doesn't have transparent background (so the logo would have a white background in the browser). Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/static/images/project-logos/cswiki.png and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Wikipedia-logo-v2-skr.png in a google chrome (or any other browser that signalizes transparent background)."

--MF-W 17:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MF-W Dear better logo updated. Sraiki (talk) 18:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Where? Is it an SVG? --MF-W 19:09, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: It looks like they've uploaded it as a newer version of File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-skr.png and it's still a PNG though I did find this SVG version of the logo from a couple of years ago --Nintendofan885 (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Nintendofan885, Upload this https://svgshare.com/i/RsV.svg' PleaseSraiki (talk) 17:34, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you upload it on Commons yourself? --MF-W 20:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-W Dear, I tried but it was not uploaded. Please help me. kindly download from * https://siraiki.weebly.com/1587158515751574174017051740-17291705-157516061657158516061740158816061604-1586157615751606-17291746/saraiki-wikipedia
It also requested that site creation is at low priority, it be put on high priority please.
Sraiki (talk) 15:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not opening some random website. If there is no problem with the file, you should be able to upload it on Commons just fine. Please try again. --MF-W 13:53, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: sir I have uploaded the latest logo for Saraiki Wiki here [1], but unable to create svg file, can anybody help to create an svg file? regards --RAChitrali 08:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
svg logo updated please check Kaleem Bhatti (talk) 10:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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