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Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia

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  This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

The requested project was created at sh: at an indeterminate date. Note that this request was approved before the implementation of the standardised Language proposal policy, and should not be used as a model for future requests. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
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  • Notes/comments:
    • I was wondering, who closed sh Wikipedia? I am active on Serbian Wikipedia and I am talking Serbocroatian! Please, could you tell why this Wikipedia doesent exist any more? If you open sh Wiki, you will do good think for science. Sorry because my English is not good. --Pokrajac 23:18, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • It was locked by Andre Engels on February 20 because it is one of the inactive wikis. Have you spoken to anyone in the existing communities at Serbian, Croatian, or Bosnian to see what their views on this joint wiki are? Is there anyone else who wants to edit there? Angela 00:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, I have not talked whit anybody yet. But it is not think how many momentary active people want to work on sh Wiki whit me. I believe that somebody will join me in future, because Serbo-croatian language is language who talk everybody in Bosnia, Croatia nad Serbia, and there is still people who is not nationalist and believe in one language. This is just like whit German, Spanish or English. There is no Australian, American, Austrian or Brasilian language. So, this Wikipedia (if you open it) will be absolutelly NPOV, liberal and antinationalist Wikipedia. Many liberal and antinationalist people said that they are talking Serbo-croatian despite Balkan war(s). Best regards, and I`m sure that we should have good cooperation. --Pokrajac 09:29, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • I've asked Jimbo to comment on this since he was recently visiting Wikipedians in Serbia and Croatia and might have some views on what should be done with this Wikipedia. Angela 13:12, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
            • Pokrajac, I guess you're right. It is one language. But the wounds of the nineties Balkan wars are all to fresh to make everyone recognise that, or to let Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks cooperate on one Wikipedia. We must use separate Wikipedias just to keep the whole project peaceful. Caesarion 10:40, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
              • Yes, but you do not understand. I am not talking about not peaceful Wikipedia! Everybody can cooperate where ever hi/she want. We will not close those three Wikipedia... Sh Wikipedia was not closed because of war... :) --Pokrajac 12:22, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Zhengzu is working on some software to allow automated, or semi-automated, conversion between different language variants. Rather than start what would basically be a fork of the three current wikis, I would like to suggest that you wait for this software to be implemented to see what sort of difference this could make in terms of it being easier for people to collaborate on a single wiki. I feel that discussion of how to overcome the current split may be more helpful than just re-opening this wiki only to find it remains inactive, as it did previously. Angela 14:01, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Angela, I'm not so sure this is correct. I thought he was working on conversion only for the two scripts for sr:, not for conversion between bs:, hr:, and sr:. Node ue 16:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • I told to Pokrajac something very similar when he said to me about this idea... And to note (for Pokrajac) that I didn't say anything about that to anyone (i.e. to Angela). --Millosh 00:47, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe that this software should be imlamented soon as posible, or I should ask to open sh Wiki again. --Pokrajac 10:04, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't speak Serbo-Croatian, but I support the idea of immediately reopening this Wikipedia. It exists already, it already has some content and here we have one user willing to take care of it. And chances are good others will follow. This not against anyone who prefers Bosnian, Croatian or Serbian. But I think we should just same respect those who wish to write in a language (variant) that has been widely used for many decades. Arbeo 14:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong support for unlocking this Wikipedia. Andre Engels locked it without first asking anyone. I was very upset at the time and protested, but he was not willing to consider what I had to say. As I said to him then, some people still consider it a single language and there is some possible support for it, especially since a native speaker has now requested it. --Node ue 16:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Agreed. Translate "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" into Bosnian, Croatian, and Serbian, and I'll prove you right; the three languages are the same, except Serbian is written in Cyrillic. Scott Gall 04:01, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Especially the justification "permanently locked because not used anymore" is ridiculous. I could easily name a hundred (!) Wikipedias that have less activity than sh had before being locked - and none of them is locked. I'd rather put it this way: the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia is inactive because it is locked. A very arbitrary decision, in my view. Arbeo 15:55, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

Bosnian: Latin - Brza braon lisica je preskočila lijenjog psa Cyrillic - Брза браон лисица је прескочила лијењог пса.
Croatian: Brza braon lisica je preskočila lijenjog psa Serbian: Latin - Brza braon lisica je preskočila l(ij)enjog psa Cyrillic - Брза браон лисица је прескочила л(иј)ењог пса. --Pokrajac 21:44, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

      • You can also say: "Brza braon lisica je preskočila l(ij)enjo kuče". --Pokrajac 22:05, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Full support for unlocking I have no axe to grind that is I am not saying that people in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina or Serbia and Montenegro do or do not speak Serbo-Croatian and I do fully support there separate Wikipedias. However Serbo-Croatian is my mother tongue and there is little that I can do about that fact. It is in my experience that the language is intelligible to the vast majority of the ex-Yugoslav population. Although I do not speak it as well as I used to, if you decide to unlock it I will try to contribute and I will ask other native speakers to do the same. --Miramoto 22:36, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Neutral, but people should be allowed to call their language whatever thay want - Romanian is called Moldovan in Moldova, Serbocroatian can be called Bosnian, Serbian, or Croatian depending on which of the three countries you're in, etc.
  • Above Croatian translation is NOT true. In Croatian it is Brza smeđa lisica je preskočila (preko) lijenog psa
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