Stewards/confirm/2010/Lar

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Lar will be a member of the Ombudsman Commission for the coming year. This reconfirmation is your chance to comment on Lar's contributions over the last year, and will apply to him regaining the steward tools at the end of that term.

logs: rights, globalauth, gblblock, gblrights, crosswiki logs & activity | translate: translation help, statement

Deutsch:
  • Sprachen: en, de-1
  • Informationen zur Person: Ich wurde in den Wahlen von Dezember 2007 zum Steward gewählt. Ich bin auch Admin auf der englischsprachigen Wikipedia, Commons, und Meta (in der englischsprachigen Wikisource habe ich die Funktion abgegeben), Bürokrat auf Commons, CheckUser auf der englischsprachigen Wikipedia, Commons, und Meta, sowie Oversighter auf Commons. Ich denke, dass ich in den verschiedenen Steward-Aufgaben ziemlich aktiv gewesen bin, und möchte gerne weitermachen. Ich begrüße eure Kommentare.
English:
  • Languages: en, de-1
  • Personal info: I became a steward after the December 2007 election. I also hold admin rights on en:wp, Commons, and Meta (I gave it up on en:ws), 'crat on commons and meta, CU on en:wp, commons and meta, and oversight on Commons. I think I've been fairly active at the various steward tasks, and I have plans to continue doing so. I welcome your feedback.
español:
  • Idiomas: en, de-1
  • Información personal: Me convertí en steward en las elecciones del 2007. Soy administrador en la Wikipedia en inglés, Commons y Meta (renuncié a ellos en Wikisource), burócrata en commons y en meta y CheckUser en la Wikipedia en Inglés, Commons y Meta y supervisor en Commons. Pienso que he estado bastante activo en las diversas tareas de steward y tengo planes de seguir estándolo. Agradezco vuestros comentarios.
français:
  • Langues: en, de-1
  • Renseignements personnels:
עברית:
  • שפות: en, de-1
  • מידע אישי: אני נבחר לדייל בבחירות דצמבר 2007. אני גם מפעיל מערכת בויקי האנגלית, וויקישיתוף, ומטא, אם כי ויתרתי עליו בויקיטקסט. אני ביורוקרט על וויקישיתוף ומטא, בודק על בויקי האנגלית, וויקישיתוף, ומטא, ומסתיר בוויקישיתוף. אני חושב שהייתי די פעיל בכל הפעילויות של הדיילים, ויש לי תוכניות להמשיך לעשות זאת. אני מקדם בברכה את ההערות שלך.
日本語:
  • 言語: en, de-1
  • 候補者の情報: 2007年の選挙でスチュワードになりました。管理者を英語版ウィキペディア、コモンズ、メタで(英語版ウィキソースでは辞任)、ビューロクラットをコモンズとメタで、チェックユーザー係をコモンズとメタで、版秘匿係をコモンズで務めています。スチュワードの様々な仕事を割とよくこなしている方だと自分では思っており、引き続き頑張りたいと思っています。忌憚なくご意見をお聞かせください。
português:
  • Línguas: en, de-1
  • Informações pessoais: Eu me tornei um steward depois da votação de Dezembro de 2007. Eu também tenho direitos de administrador na Wikipédia em inglês, Commons e Meta (Eu abdiquei no Wikinews em inglês), sou burocrata no Commons e no meta, CheckUser na Wikipédia em inglês, commons e meta, e oversight no Commons. Acho que eu tenho sido bastante activo nas diversas actividades dos stewards e tenho planos de continuar a sê-lo. Agradeço vossas sugestões.
русский:
  • Языки: en, de-1
  • Личная информация: Я стал стюардом после выборов в декабре 2007 года. Также я продолжил быть админом в en:wp, на Викискладе и на Мете (и сдал флаг в en:ws), бюрократ на Викискладе и Мете, чекюзер в en:wp, Викискладе и Мете, ревизор на Викискладе. Я думаю, я был достаточно активен в выполнении разных стюардских задач, и планирую продолжать быть таковым. Жду ваших отзывов.


Comments about Lar

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Note: I've addressed some concerns raised here. ++Lar: t/c 02:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm² for I think that we're commenting about his steward word. Wikimedians usually fulfill several roles and we should keep in mind that they're not the same. Maybe on enwiki he's had problems. So perhaps he should be sanctioned there (perhaps). But as steward he's been flawless and therefore he shouldn't be denied the confirmation.

    To make the example a bit more extreem, this is like saying he shouldn't get confirmed as stewards000 because he made a bad judgement on FA discussions. As a matter of fact, he shouldn't be "stewarding" on enwiki, so saying "I disagree on his BLP views therefore I vote oppose as steward" is a non sequitur. Please do focus on the issue at hand. We're evaluating his steward work, not his enwiki community behaviour. Sometimes this kind of issues make me believe I do the right thing trying to edit as little there, as people get very sensitive and use anything against you). es:Drini 16:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - per above posters who addressed his extreme rudeness and abuse of CU tools. I have unfortunately encountered both myself. Crum375 16:40, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Let me add that, since some people mention BLP as an issue, I happen to share Lar's view about BLP. Unfortunately, the way he behaved while presenting his view alienated many editors and made that position harder to defend, so I stayed out of the debate. Crum375 11:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove I'm aware of two incidents related to Lar's handling of private information which in light of the other concerns expressed above suffice for me to oppose this reconfirmation, though I'm open to reconsider if satisfiable explanations are given.

    1. en:Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/SlimVirgin-Lar: here it's helpful to make some digging beyond the final decision. Regarding en:Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/SlimVirgin-Lar/Proposed_decision#Breach_of_privacy, I cite the proposed finding: "Lar disclosed data derived from page logs, in circumstances in which none of the situations permitting disclosure applied. This constituted a breach of the privacy policy.". This was supported by three arbitrators, none opposed, but couldn't pass because arbitrators found it was not within their jurisdiction to rule on privacy policy violations (instead, it was up to the Wikimedia Ombudsman Commission...). Nonetheless, arbitrators passed a remedy (link): "The Committee reminds all operators of the CheckUser tool that it is imperative that they make every effort to abide strictly by the Wikimedia Foundation Privacy Policy at all times." (passed 7 to 0). From this, it seems clear to me that arbitrators found the handling of private information by Lar in this matter 'suboptimal', to the point of breaching the privacy policy, even if the uses of the checkuser tools themselves were found within acceptable range of CU discretion. From reading Newyorkbrad's additional statement, I can see it was not excessively 'bad' but still concerning. Plus, the characterisation of the situation by Lar above doesn't seem genuine at all, in any case misleading.
    2. I've stumbled across another incident, to which I've seen no satisfactory explanation and that I find quite concerning. This happened here (scroll down to the suppressed edits): Lar, while in dispute with David Shankbone, posted on his talk page, and got responded but the whole discussion was removed and suppressed (oversighted) by Keegan. It seems to me that stewards should know when not to post material that may need to be oversighted or even might lead to a conversation requiring oversight.

    I'm especially concerned because it's been pointed out that Lar is involved in multiple interpersonal or political disputes, and those two incidents happened during such disputes. I feel our projects need less disputes of this kind, and stewards, due to their position and access, should be above them, and while this is not always possible, certainly not furnish them. Cenarium (Talk) 17:13, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I would strongly urge all who have concerns about the first case to read Newyorkbrad's statement that Cenarium has kindly linked to. Carefully and completely. Then draw their own conclusions. I stand by whatever I have said about this case, from the very beginning when SlimVirgin was bruiting accusations about in myriad places, to this very day, including the remarks I made further up this page. As for the other matter, with my steward bit turned off, I can't refresh my memory of who said what, but what I recall suggests that I spoke flippantly, which cascaded matters, and the net result was that a fair bit of stuff from a number of people needed to be removed. I regret that, but we are none of us perfect. I don't consider it a major incident but it was an imperfection. That editor does not bring out the best in people, sometimes. That's not an excuse, just an observation. ++Lar: t/c 21:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Pcap, Nsk92 - his behavior during the recent BLP fiasco on en:wp is dismaying, vituperative, and fanatical in nature. Other checkuser abuses mentioned in this thread finalize it for me. RayAYang 17:51, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose as I trust neither his judgment nor integrity based on various actions on Wikipedia. Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The rude, dismissive, self-righteous attitude to those disagreeing with him, as evidenced by his comments during the BLP dramafest on enwiki, in my view, makes him unsuitable for this position. This has nothing to do with his deletions or his views on BLPs. Tim Song 18:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Minds can differ on this BLP nonsense. Those differences don't somehow render the his judgment vis a vis the tools suspect in the least. Protonk 19:21, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm Lar is a trustworthy contributor whom I believe has struck a fair balance on the fine line which sometimes arises between professional, politically correct conduct and decisive action and honest opinions. The projects need people who are able and willing to think through and act in difficult cases, and are able to do so autonomously when and as required, and yet are able to moderate their own emotional involvements and retain an appropriate distance. Both classes of behaviour are not always politically advantageous, and at least some of the opposition above strikes me as rather petty hair-splitting arising, especially to the extent that many of them appear to have no bearing on the role of stewardship. I support Lar not because we've always agreed, but because we've disagreed and been able to talk through the disagreement as adults. Stewardship isn't a "congressional" seat: We shouldn't choose people based on how much we agree with them on 'issues'. Narrowing the position to functionally inert baby-kissers would do us no good, nor would we do well to only accept candidates who have been aggressive enough to drive away everyone they've every disagreed with. --Gmaxwell 20:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm No issues with prior history as a steward. An asset to the team. Thank you for continuing to volunteer. NonvocalScream 22:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, per Cenarium, Cert, Durova, et al. Questionable CheckUser actions, and demeanor towards those he disagrees with are concerning. Blurpeace 22:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm I have found Lar to be approachable and extremely helpful with cross-wiki questions. Opposing due to BLP issues etc on en-wiki is a bit bizarre considering he does not routinely act as a steward there, and it is his actions as a steward that are under consideration here. Pablo X 23:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Blurpeace, et. al. Lauryn Ashby (d) 01:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose per the numerous previous users citing ENWP BLP issues. Distrust on one's home wiki is not becoming of a steward and hardly appropriate for an ombudsman. If non-steward actions are irrelevant then Thekohser should be getting a lot more support for his candidacy. delirious & lost~hugs~ + jh0367~hugs~ 01:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not because of disagreement over the BLP issue as such, but because of his arrogant manner in discussing it and in replying to questions and making comments generally. One of the least pleasant people to deal with of all established Wikipedians. Such matters are very much pertinent. DGG 03:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose! For anyone who isn't opposed to this person, PLEASE, look at some of the links Okip has provided. I've noted his person's behavior in the past, and don't believe they should be trusted with any position of power or the tools that come with it. Dream Focus 03:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose reconfirmation. Lar has clearly lost the community's trust: the opposes are neither few nor petty. It is quite possible to act in both good faith as well as intemperate scorn for the community. Lar needs to take a break from the tools and refocus, and the community seems to be articulating quite clearly that such a break should not be considered optional. Jclemens 05:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since a suppression of mine has been brought up in this conversation, call me neutral. The suppression that took place involving David Shankbone was based on a complete misunderstanding which devolved into matters that fall within the privacy policy. Both parties made a reasonable request to redact the conversation, and as such it was removed. Please don't put too much weight into that issue, tempers flared and both parties achieved a resolution. In my opinion, Lar has done well as a steward and also has not used his capabilities to abuse the system or gain an upper hand, nor used it as a measure of status. I think he does admirably in separate the UserGroup from his day to day interest in the projects. Keegan 05:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm The opposes aren't convincing. AniMate 06:12, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lar's views have become increasingly extreme, particularly those related to BLP. Thus far he has largely been able to keep those views separate from steward work. It is my hope that stays that way (or better yet, a slight decrease in the fervor given to certain matters). Lar is one of the most well intentioned and helpful editors around, and I'd like to keep him around. Prodego talk 06:24, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong confirm Hmmm. I see quite a number of opposes from people with obvious axes to grind, and several very contentious attempts to re-write the history of what has happened on the English Wikipedia. It's inevitable that someone of the experience, committment and visibility of Lar will become occasionally involved in high-profile issues, and that that will bring an opportunity for a few disgrunted users to make their point. However, no-one can be a great Steward without addressing the hard issues. That's what they are paid for (haha), and Lar should be commended for taking his duties extremely seriously and for not ducking issues that he must have known would earn him no brownie points. MichaelMaggs 18:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm, good work as steward. LeinaD (t) 17:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Lar has become a polarizing figure on the English Wikipedia. That's illustrated well here, with several supporters alleging that opposers must be harboring grudges, rather than just expressing what might be legitimate concerns. Supporters have talked about how helpful Lar can be. I'm one of the people he used to be helpful toward—and I supported him for steward in 2007—but he turned on me suddenly shortly afterwards for reasons that were never explained, and that's when I experienced a different side to him. He began to attack me on- and off-wiki. He tried to turn people against me. He supported Poetlister—a middle-aged man with multiple sockpuppets on the English WP masquerading as young women, who tried to out me because I'd pointed out they were socks—for bureaucrat and CU on Wikisource, though he knew about the serial sockpuppetry. He would turn up with snarky comments until it reached the point where I was reluctant to speak out on any issue in case he arrived with an insult. He checkusered me. He supported editors who opposed me on content issues regardless of the rights or wrongs, including banned ones. I'm not the only person he has done this kind of thing to—I have seen him be rude to good people in a way that nothing could really justify and that has left them deeply upset. Now the BLP issue has alienated a whole new bunch of editors. I broadly support Lar's stance on BLP, but I feel the way he has pursued it may have turned people who could have been persuaded into opponents.

    Stewards should operate above the fray. I think Lar needs to choose whether to be involved in the management of the project or its politics, because those roles are often incompatible. And above all I'd say to him, please realize that the people you target are often just as loyal to the project as you are. I'm also sorry about having to post this, and I hope it doesn't start up trouble between us again. I was sorely tempted to stay away, but I didn't feel I could justify not saying anything because of concern about consequences. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Does not seem suitable for this role. Colonel Warden 22:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Blurpeace. Jaakobou 00:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Something doesn't sit right with me to support Lar. Perhaps it is my ridiculous xenophobic attitude towards giving Wikipedia Review participants, (no matter how explanatory they are about contributing there), too many tools. It's pretty much impossible to be in Lar's position and not infuriate or at least agitate one or perhaps many more people, so perhaps it's best to let someone else take over this role and let Lar get back to something more fun. I want to add that it is odd though that Lar has more opposition here than other Steward reconfirmations I have seen.--MONGO 02:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per most of the above. Xavexgoem 03:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I thought I was in a tiny minority re Lar until I saw the comments on this page. Tim Song and DGG put it succinctly. (FWIW I share Lar's views on BLP and would in fact go much further toward cleansing the project of marginally relevant BLPs, so it's unrelated to that issue.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris 06:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Nsk92. Bolo1910 06:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I haven't closely followed the en.wp BLP saga, but at the end of the day that is an en.wp issue, and if Larry has lost the trust of the en.wp community, I believe that he is open for recall there. Until there has been a vote of confidence on en.wp that says otherwise, it is inappropriate to say that he has lost the confidence of the community based on a small subset of motivated en.wp's turning up here.
    In regards to stewardship, Larry is quite inactive (especially if we discount the high count of rights changes for en.wp and Commons, where are wikis he is active on), yet he supported global sysops. Sorry, but that is a hot-button issue for me, as you know - as a result, I oppose reconfirmation at this time and recommend that he stand for reconfirmation next year. A lot can change in a year, and he will be in a position to give assurances then about whether or not he intends to be active or not in 2011 as a steward. John Vandenberg 11:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Keep  Roger Davies talk 15:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per SlimVirgin and Durova FeloniousMonk 19:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove. I have some concerns about his judgement and tendency to abuse process. MSGJ 20:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Remove, very abrasive interactions with those he seems to have preconceptions about, domineering and tends to dismiss reasoned argument. I've not paid close attention to the BLP issue, and like Lar favour removal of bios unless there is clear well sourced motability. However, his judgement appears to be poor. . . Dave souza 22:11, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm. Sensible and trustworthy user. And the link to get to other pages has exceeded limits, so the only way for me to get to other confirmations is to go through the entire list and find their pages one by one. SandyGeorgia 22:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I felt comfortable this year with every single member of the team. This is true, regardless of the mere count of actions and the amount of interactions on wiki, mailing list, IRC, social networks or real life. Therefore I'd feel much more comfy if all current stewards are confirmed. --M/ 23:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]