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Change project name to "Machine Wikipedia"

Hi, according to this discussion, I propose to change this project name to "Machine Wikipedia" to match Tim Berners-Lee's vocabulary proposal about Web 3.0 and making the web machine-readable.

I also propose to make fully textual articles called "Machine articles" written in RDF, like other editions of Wikipedia, these fully textual articles can be filled by humans and AI (by NLP).

The implementation of "Machine Wikipedia" is very fast and bots and machines can benefit from this edition very much. Cheers. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 12:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@DVrandecic (WMF): Feeglgeef (talk) 00:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I would just like to add here that this project is more about giving more humans access to more knowledge, not giving robots a way to get knowledge. I'm also not quite sure what you mean by "machine-readable". All the AI scraper bots (see f:wf:Status_updates/2024-09-13#Site_reliability_issues for our own struggles with this) already can read and comprehend (to some capacity) all of the Wikimedia projects. "Abstract" more accurately describes the end goal of the project, being able to generate articles from every language in an Abstract language, and any impact on AI/machine use of Wikipedia is not really the goal. We plan to use Wikidata based objects, instead of RDF for the generation of content, which you can read more about at f:wf:Status_updates/2024-10-17. Generally, the Wikimedia community is skeptical about AI involvement in content creation; this project is not intended to change that. Thanks! Feeglgeef (talk) 00:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Feeglgeef Besides its benefits for chatbots and machines, encoding editions of Wikipedia to RDF can help to make some symmetry or harmony between existing human-readable Wikipedias.

For example: If English Wikipedia lacks some data about Steve Jobs (for example his father name), but French Wikipedia has, we can detect that deficiency of English edition by using "Machine Wikipedia" because after encoding process of English edition to RDF, the result lacks this data. Then we can alarm editors of English edition to add a sentence for that from the sentence existing in French.

I should note that Machine Wikipedia can be an accumulation of all human-readable Wikipedia (English, French etc.) containing all its data, but without any redundant information. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 04:36, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Actually, this problem would really be fixed by Abstract Wikipedia. The ideal ending for the project is for every Wikipedia to disappear in favor of one Abstract one, where f: code will be used to convert to a user's language. An RDF Wiki, separate from this, might be useful, but I would redirect you to Requests for new languages. You can create a proposal there. Feeglgeef (talk) 06:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Feeglgeef I proposed the idea here. Please inspect that. Thanks. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 06:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that's quite the "ideal ending" for Abstract Wikipedia, for what it's worth: there will always be something that the Wikifunctions code can't capture. I don't think an Abstract Wikipedia-generated could compare with a Featured Article on enwiki, for example. My vision is more like "allowing smaller wikis to have broader coverage than they otherwise would". —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Add DSantamaria-WMF to the team

Please add myself to the team:

Abstract Wikipedia
Start:	2020-07
Team members:	Product Amy Tsay (Director of Product) Denny Vrandečić (Head of Special Projects) Design Amin Al Hazwani (Lead UX Designer) Community Relations Sannita (Movement Communications Specialist) Engineering David Santamaria (Engineer Manager) Grace Choi (Senior Software Engineer) James Forrester (Principal Software Engineer; Tech Lead) Genoveva Galarza (Staff Software Engineer) David Martin (Staff Software Engineer) Cory Massaro (Staff Software Engineer) Elena Tonkovidova (Senior Test Engineer) Vaughn Walters (Test Engineer III)
Updates:	Updates

DSantamaria-WMF (talk) 12:49, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Done --Sannita (WMF) (talk) 13:30, 3 April 2025 (UTC)