Talk:Community Wishlist/Wishes/新規利用者が最初の記事を作成しやすくなるようにしてほしい

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Edit Check

@Kizhiya: Hello, you may interested in the current project Edit Check which is working by WMF Editing team. They also collect several ideas from community and staff for future development. --SCP-2000 02:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@SCP-2000,Thank you for sharing, I will read it carefully. Kizhiya (talk) 12:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for posting this @SCP-2000!

@Kizhiya, Edit check for references was tested at Japanese Wikipedia. I shared the results with the Japanese community not so long ago.

Growth team features could also be a way to address some parts of your wish. They are already available at Japanese Wikipedia.

I would be very curious to know if any of these solutions would help addressing your request, or if they don't. Your input really matters to us.

Thank you, Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 16:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trizek (WMF),@SCP-2000,

Thank you for the reply.

I'm worried that if I write in English, the subtle nuances won't be conveyed, so I'll write in Japanese. I am sure JNakayama-WMF or Someone else will translate it into good English.

私は、主に日本語版ウィキペディアで活動しています。EditCheck は便利かもしれません。ですが、それ以前に、私たちには問題があります。Jawpでは、まず、新規参加者が「記事の書き方がわかるガイドページ」にたどりつくのが難しいという問題があります。ガイドページが、どこにあるかわかりづらいのですです。

UIにおけるサイドバーの「ヘルプ」が、ガイドやオリエンテーションに案内する役目を果たしています。私が望んでいるのは、例えば、このタイトルを、「記事の書き方」といった表現に書き変えることです。太字にして目立たせるような方法も考えられます。単に「ヘルプ」だと、日本語では、それが「ウィキペディアの記事の書き方」を示していることを直感的に理解できません。

また、サイドバーに「記事の書き方」と書いてあれば、閲覧者のうち、自分がウィキプロジェクトに参加することを想像もしていなかった人が、編集や貢献を試してみようと考える可能性があります。 Kizhiya (talk) 00:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trizek (WMF) @Kizhiya

To elaborate on Kizhiya's comment, my understanding of the challenge mentioned here is prior to the phase of utilizing the EditCheck and References checks. It's around better supporting the newcomers to understand the very basics guidelines and policies including the Five Pillars in order to help them take those first steps in editing with the right mindset. How can the newcomers start editing better equipped with the knowledge of the important policies and guidelines? Or at least knowing where they can to go and check when they are not sure? Improvements on this process could potentially help the newcomers to better appreciate and utilize the Growth team features. JNakayama-WMF (talk) 03:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I think " How can the newcomers start editing better equipped with the knowledge of the important policies and guidelines?" is the main question here.

Writing an article means knowing the sum of (almost) all policies. The Growth team initial goal is to help newcomers understanding these policies, by selecting relevant tasks to start with. Edit check offers guidance and policies discovery while editing.

I will also open the question to collect ideas: should create an article be discouraged, with a clear invite sent after completing onboarding tasks? (Please note that it goes against the Founding principles to block all article creation.)

Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 11:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kizhiyaさん、この議論ページをご覧の皆さん

新しくスタートしたコミュニティ要望リストでは、このような対話を通じて共に「課題主導型」の要望内容を割り出していくことを目指しているため、スタッフを含めた全員の学びの為にもお付き合いいただきたいのですが、上記 @Trizek (WMF)のコメントによる問いかけは2点です。よろしければ是非ご意見をお聞かせください。

①この「要望」の根底にある課題としては、「新規利用者が重要な方針とガイドラインの知識を身につけた上でより良い編集を始めるにはどうすればいいか？」に結びつくと思いますか。

②現在編集チェック機能を通じて、新規利用者は編集しながら方針などを学べる仕組みとなっています。しかし、それ以前にまずは新人研修のような演習を経てから新たな記事作成に招待するような仕組みを組むべきでしょうか。記事作成をブロックすることは基本原理に反するためもちろんできませんが、少なくても新規利用者が方針を理解せずに新規記事作成することを思いとどまらせるような仕組みや方法を考えるべきだと思いますか。

JNakayama-WMF (talk) 13:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

The "Help" item in the sidebar

The "Help" page linked from the sidebar has a conspicuous item in its first screen "Create a new article". That's very poor design. We don't want to encourage new users to try to create new articles, when there's ample evidence that few will be able to manage it and many will discouraged by trying. There are many ways to help improve Wikipedia. We shouldn't do anything to steer new users towards one of the most difficult of them. Maproom (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)