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Proposed additions
NIWA Wikis
I am requesting the wikis that are members of NIWA to be added. You can find them here: [1]. If you have anyway questions, just ask. Bud0011 01:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC).
- Bud, we only link to some wikis. Here's a guideline from the English language Wikipedia (see item 12)
- w:en:Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided
- "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors"
- w:en:Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided
- Some of these wikis look busier than others. It's about 2200 UTC on 19 October; if I look at the time it's taken each wiki to gain 500 edits, here are the stats:
- 10-19: bulbapedia
- 10-18: mariowiki.com
- 10-17: metroidwiki.org
- 10-16: strategywiki.org
- 10-14: zeldawiki.org
- 10-12: starfoxwiki.org
- 10-10: wikirby.info
- 10-09: www.pikminwiki.com
- 10-02: fanon.pikminwiki.com
- 10-01: warscentral.com
- Here's information on their current usage across Wikimedia projects:
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net
fanon.pikminwiki.com
starfoxwiki.org
strategywiki.org
warswiki.warscentral.com
wikirby.info
mariowiki.com
metroidwiki.org
pikminwiki.com
zeldawiki.org
- There was a problem with one of these wikis being spammed; that makes it a non-starter for the inter-wiki map:
- --A. B. (talk) 22:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- Out of curiosity, is the reason one of these wiki's are not allowed to be linked because the site, probably unwittingly, was involved in (a) spamming attack(s)? i am trying to figure out the reasoning behind it, as objectively as i can. Bud0011 00:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC).
- If you're asking whether we'd keeo bulpapedia wiki off the Interwiki map due to prior possible spamming, the answer is "Yes."
- We require a very high level of trust to Interwiki map a domain. It's technically hard for us to track interwiki link additions so we don't want to risk a spam attack using these links. By contrast, if someone adds links to a site using regular external links, we can track the links using the Special:LinkSearch page and/or some specialized spam-tracking tools. Given bulbapedia's track record, I think we're be safer keeping them off the Interwiki map. --A. B. (talk) 03:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ok. That makes sense. Thank you for the explanation. Bud0011 04:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC).
- We require a very high level of trust to Interwiki map a domain. It's technically hard for us to track interwiki link additions so we don't want to risk a spam attack using these links. By contrast, if someone adds links to a site using regular external links, we can track the links using the Special:LinkSearch page and/or some specialized spam-tracking tools. Given bulbapedia's track record, I think we're be safer keeping them off the Interwiki map. --A. B. (talk) 03:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Note: Bulbapedia, Mariowiki, and Strategywiki already are in the interwiki map (bulba:, mariowiki: and strategywiki:). --Yair rand 06:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you. I didn't notice those. Bud0011 17:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC).
- For reference, here is the decision for adding Bulbapedia to the interwiki map. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map/Archives/2009-11#Bulbapedia - As I recall also, the spamming incident in 2007 was due to an unrelated outside party, the infamous Bobabobabo, as evidenced here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bulbapedia and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Interrobamf/Bobabobabo#Other_sites 124.171.218.120 11:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you. I didn't notice those. Bud0011 17:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC).
Wikimedia Canada Chapter - wmc
We have officially formed the Wikimedia Canada non-profit and are presently working with Sue Gardner and the Chapters Committee to finalize our chapters agreement. In the interim we have set up the Wikimedia.ca Wiki site. It is our intention to use this domain and Wiki for the development of our chapter. For this reason we request the wmc prefix be set aside for Wikimedia Canada. Configuration of this link will ease the transition of the chapter content from Meta to the Wiki Canada Inc. site.Alan.ca 05:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- The other chapter websites go by the interwikis "wm" followed by a two letter code, like wmar:, wmau:, wmch:, wmil:, etc. Shouldn't the Wikimedia Canada website have the interwiki prefix wmca:? --Yair rand 05:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, that works for us. In fact it makes sense to use the ISO code. If someone can set up the wmca: prefix for us that would be appreciated. 174.88.12.36 08:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Done, congratulations. --Nemo 10:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, that works for us. In fact it makes sense to use the ISO code. If someone can set up the wmca: prefix for us that would be appreciated. 174.88.12.36 08:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Special:CentralAuth
Nemo Bis added two prefixes, ca and centralauth, which link to Special:CentralAuth on MetaWiki. I undid the additions so they could be discussed first. The ca prefix conflicts with the Catalan language code, and I'm not sure there's much benefit to CentralAuth:Pathoschild over m:Special:CentralAuth/Pathoschild. —Pathoschild 21:45:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose addition. There's no need in my opinion to create interwiki links to pages that can be linked directly. Per Pathoschild. -- Dferg ☎ talk 23:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose, per Dferg, furthermore Special:Centralauth is avaible an ALL wikis (eg. de:Special:CentralAuth/Hoo_man, v:es:Special:CentralAuth/Hoo_man), but an interwiki can only point to one point - Hoo man (talk) 13:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for reverting and fixing, no need to open a discussion. --Nemo 21:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Subversion
svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/$1?view=log
The full alias for subversion:$1 and svn:$1 would be great additions here. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:16, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose There is rev: and svn: already. –Krinkletalk 19:46, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Not done Nemo 16:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
First domain prefix requests
Nostalgia Wikipedia: nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1 — The full alias for the Nostalgia Wikipedia. nostalgia:$1 would be helpful.
StatsWiki/Wikistats: stats.wikimedia.org/$1 — stats:$1 could help when linking for reference to this domain.
Wikimedia mailing list: lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/$1 — First domain prefix for the Wikimedia mailing list lists:$1.
--:| TelCoNaSpVe :| 09:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- We already have an interwiki for the mailing lists, see mail: and mailarchive:. Cbrown1023 talk 02:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- "lists" might be easier to remember as the first domain prefix then mail.wikimedia.org and having duplicates like mediazilla: and bugzilla: is just fine. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Having some duplicates does not justify making more duplicates per se. I agree about nostalgia: though since nost: is not an obvious abbrevation or interwiki prefix imho. –Krinkletalk 17:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- "lists" might be easier to remember as the first domain prefix then mail.wikimedia.org and having duplicates like mediazilla: and bugzilla: is just fine. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
beta: for beta.wikiversity.org
Almost forgot one, BetaWikiversity: beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/$1 — First domain prefix for the Multilingual Wikiversity beta:$1. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- Why ? There could come other 'beta'* wikis (not to mention betawiki:), which would lead to confusion. BetaWikiversity: is already added to the interwiki map. –Krinkletalk 19:29, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Not done. Nemo 16:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Database names requests
CommonsWiki: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1 — Full alias for the Wikimedia Commons commonswiki:$1.
FoundationWiki: wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/$1 — Full alias for the Wikimedia Foundation wiki foundationwiki:$1.
IncubatorWiki: incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1 — Full alias for the Wikimedia Incubator wiki incubatorwiki:$1.
MediaWikiWiki: www.mediawiki.org/wiki/$1 — Full alias for the MediaWiki wiki subdomain mediawikiwiki:$1.
SourcesWiki: wikisource.org/wiki/$1 — Full alias for the Multilingual Wikisource sourceswiki:$1.
SpeciesWiki: species.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1 — Full alias for the Multilingual Wikispecies specieswiki:$1.
--:| TelCoNaSpVe :| 09:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Why do we need to create duplicate interwikis for the database names? We don't do database names for any other interwikis. Cbrown1023 talk 02:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- 1) It's just easier to remember sometimes. 2) We do: compare w:Main Page and wikipedia:Main Page. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- The database name for w: isn't "wikipedia" but "enwiki", isn't it? Jafeluv 07:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I think that there is a list of the prefixes at Steward handbook#Database prefixes. I may be wrong though, the list might not be comprehensive. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 08:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The database name for w: isn't "wikipedia" but "enwiki", isn't it? Jafeluv 07:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- 1) It's just easier to remember sometimes. 2) We do: compare w:Main Page and wikipedia:Main Page. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- I doubt these are easier to remember than commons:, foundation:, incubator:, oldwikisource:, or wikispecies:. --Yair rand 05:36, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Admittedly some are longer and thus more difficult to remember but they are useful when pointing out the names of certain databases to newcomers and the like; plus I find the sourceswiki prefix particularly handy since I rarely encounter "oldwikisource" mentioned anywhere (this is about the third time I've heard it used) and I frequently trawl through Vvv's sulutil to get it. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- "useful when pointing out the names of certain databases to newcomers", how is that related to any of this ? Most users will for one never ever have to understand or even know the existance of a database name. And interwiki prefixes is not where they should learn about it (if at all). Introducing new aliases if the current aliases are not outdated or complicated is imho something we shouldn't do as that will only further complicate things for new users. Especially because "sourceswiki" and "specieswiki" are not something referred to anywhere in the user interface. The full names are "Wikisource:" and "Wikispecies:". –Krinkletalk 17:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Not done. Nemo 16:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- "useful when pointing out the names of certain databases to newcomers", how is that related to any of this ? Most users will for one never ever have to understand or even know the existance of a database name. And interwiki prefixes is not where they should learn about it (if at all). Introducing new aliases if the current aliases are not outdated or complicated is imho something we shouldn't do as that will only further complicate things for new users. Especially because "sourceswiki" and "specieswiki" are not something referred to anywhere in the user interface. The full names are "Wikisource:" and "Wikispecies:". –Krinkletalk 17:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Admittedly some are longer and thus more difficult to remember but they are useful when pointing out the names of certain databases to newcomers and the like; plus I find the sourceswiki prefix particularly handy since I rarely encounter "oldwikisource" mentioned anywhere (this is about the third time I've heard it used) and I frequently trawl through Vvv's sulutil to get it. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Eichsfeld Wiki
Dear all, we want to request getting our Eichsfeld Wiki to be added to the InterWiki list.
Eichsfeld Wiki is a free and strictly non commercial Wiki of the Region Eichsfeld in middle germany with a very own history and tradition.
Our project is relative new but going more and more active now as we have several regional WP and commons editors within the project. As we want currently want to start more interlinking within the projects it would be helpful to us to get into the interwikis.
eichsfeldwiki.de
- Not done, only 10 links on de.wiki and no links elsewhere AFAIK. Nemo 16:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
OpenStreetMap Wiki
Suggest that we add an interwiki link to the OpenStreetMap wiki. It could be useful to link from Wikipedia WikiProjects to the OSM counterpart, which list map resources for various places, etc. (e.g. w:Wikipedia:WikiProject Egypt and OSM has a WikiProject Egypt) The OSM wiki uses interwiki links (e.g. wikipedia:Egypt) to link to English Wikipedia. It could help foster better cross-project collaboration between Wikimedia and OSM, by having an easier way to link from Wikimedia projects to the OSM wiki. Aude 03:00, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
wiki.openstreetmap.org
- propose the interwiki link be [[osm:]] Aude 03:01, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- Noting that ISO 639-1 code "osm" is unassigned. Kylu 14:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
- Even though it is unassigned, we should keep the option that it might be used some day, also for a Wikimedia project. I would propose [[osmwiki:]]. Jon Harald Søby 08:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- osmwiki: sounds like a good choise to me. –Krinkletalk 19:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- Done because it's consistent with tswiki:. 217 links on en.wiki, perhaps not enough, but it's almost a sisterproject. Nemo 16:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- osmwiki: sounds like a good choise to me. –Krinkletalk 19:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- Even though it is unassigned, we should keep the option that it might be used some day, also for a Wikimedia project. I would propose [[osmwiki:]]. Jon Harald Søby 08:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- Noting that ISO 639-1 code "osm" is unassigned. Kylu 14:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Multilingual Wikisource
The oldwikisource: database name has been switched to sourceswiki and this is the name you see now e.g. on sulutil (or whatever tool); for consistency with other wikis (like commonswiki) and given that the "old" adjective is deprecated, I propose to add a sources: or sourceswiki: interwiki. Nemo 13:25, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
- It needs something, and something sensible, and preferably something short to type. Does this proposal means that [[s:sourceswiki:pagename pagename]]. I say this as when on the wikisource domain, it would be very convenient to have a 2 or 3 letter code for quick interwiki. billinghurst sDrewth 13:34, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, can anyone explain the plural in sourceswiki? If it was to be this form, then singular? billinghurst sDrewth 13:53, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
- This may be related to the request above; and which I wholeheartedly agree that the "old" prefix for the multilingual wikisource had never made sense to me when I viewed the sulutil. And FYI, 2 or 3 letter interwikis are never are good idea unless it's a single-language wiki, because it conflicts with the ISO codes for such single-language wikis. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:33, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
- If you are proposing that all the housed languages at sourceswiki are all allocated 2 or 3 letter codes that point there, then that is okay with me. <beaming smile> I was led to believe that mul was a three letter code available for multiple languages, maybe that is appropriate. billinghurst sDrewth
- http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=mul - It is, but are there any standards on its use that we would want to implement that might conflict with how the wiki is currently set up? Also, I totally want to set up a zxx.wikipedia now. Kylu 14:48, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
- That would enable the following: [[s:mul:Page]] to link to http://wikisource.org/wiki/Page. Perhaps we could broaden this request to implement mul: as a project-dependant code. ie. [[w:mul:]] would link to http://www.wikipedia.org/, [[b:mul:]] to http://www.wikibooks.org/, but perhaps also [[v:mul:Page]] to the Multilingual hub at http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Page. –Krinkletalk 19:45, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- For Wikiversity there's already bugzilla:13334. But this is something we can't fix with the interwiki map. This request is different from #Database names requests because "oldwikisource" is the only interwiki prefix which doesn't follow the wiki name, nor the wiki address, nor the wiki database name. I don't know if we can find a sensible solution, though. Nemo 13:25, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
- That would enable the following: [[s:mul:Page]] to link to http://wikisource.org/wiki/Page. Perhaps we could broaden this request to implement mul: as a project-dependant code. ie. [[w:mul:]] would link to http://www.wikipedia.org/, [[b:mul:]] to http://www.wikibooks.org/, but perhaps also [[v:mul:Page]] to the Multilingual hub at http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Page. –Krinkletalk 19:45, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=mul - It is, but are there any standards on its use that we would want to implement that might conflict with how the wiki is currently set up? Also, I totally want to set up a zxx.wikipedia now. Kylu 14:48, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
- If you are proposing that all the housed languages at sourceswiki are all allocated 2 or 3 letter codes that point there, then that is okay with me. <beaming smile> I was led to believe that mul was a three letter code available for multiple languages, maybe that is appropriate. billinghurst sDrewth
- This may be related to the request above; and which I wholeheartedly agree that the "old" prefix for the multilingual wikisource had never made sense to me when I viewed the sulutil. And FYI, 2 or 3 letter interwikis are never are good idea unless it's a single-language wiki, because it conflicts with the ISO codes for such single-language wikis. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:33, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, can anyone explain the plural in sourceswiki? If it was to be this form, then singular? billinghurst sDrewth 13:53, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Pywikipedia
svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/pywikipedia?view=rev&revision=$1
pywikipedia:$1 would be more easily understandable than "pyrev". :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:16, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- That would collide with pages on wikis starting with that prefix (ie. "Pywikipedia:upload.py"). It's also too general as "pywikipedia" is not just the name of the SVN repository, the software has the same name. rev: and pyrev: are more practical, and don't collide with pages. Perhaps pywikirev: or pywikipediarev: could be added, but I see no reason to add extra duplicates. –Krinkletalk 19:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- When on this though, perhaps update the interwiki map to link to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/$1 instead (to use the (not so new anymore) new CodeReview system, just like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/$1 ) –Krinkletalk 19:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- Update Done. Nemo 16:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Update
- When on this though, perhaps update the interwiki map to link to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/$1 instead (to use the (not so new anymore) new CodeReview system, just like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/$1 ) –Krinkletalk 19:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Proposed removals
Veropedia
- Veropedia - Has long been defunct, domains have been squatted. ^demon 21:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
- I've ran a global query on all wikis from the Toolserver. The only match was one at en.wikipedia.org:
[enwiki_p] Talk:Veropedia links to veropedia:Second_Seminole_War
- –Krinkletalk 19:54, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- Done, thank you very much Krinkle. Nemo 16:39, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Requests for updates
wmca interwiki map needs update
wmca http://wikimedia.ca/wiki/$1
As per previous request to add the interwiki map, we have improved our web site and have a new URL for the interwiki map. Please update as soon as possible as all current interwiki links to our site will be broken until this change is made. Alan.ca 03:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
- Corrected. Kylu 16:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Update tswiki: to https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/$1
Currently it's set to http://wiki.toolserver.org/view/ causing it to be redirected to https. All toolserver services run over https and have been updated (such as Jira:) but this one was forgotten, please update it. –Krinkletalk 16:04, 31 March 2011 (UTC)