Talk:Steward requests/Bot status

RoboDick

I'm not good at English but I will ask a botbitje for RoboDick I am from Holland. 83.85.216.40 21:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I think that wold be an inappropriate name for a bot. See w:dick --Frogger3140 21:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Dick can refer to the penis in English, but has different meanings in other languages. Whether the name is inappropriate depends on the language and mindsets of the wiki it runs on. The word is perfectly okay in many languages, and some communities may be fine with a good-faith account if Dick refers to a nonvulgar word (like the common name), or they might not consider body parts vulgar at all (Would 'RoboNose' be vulgar?). I think it is inaccurate to automatically assume that what you consider inappropriate will be considered inappropriate everywhere, since 83 didn't say on which wiki he would request a bot flag.

Besides which, you're responding to a comment made nearly three years ago. RoboDick now has a bot flag on several wikis. —Pathoschild 00:07:46, 01 November 2008 (UTC)

jawiki bug?

The following discussion is closed: bug fixed

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i have today been unable to give botbits on ja.wiki, getting the following error message:

Bad interwiki username: Bogus database suffix "jawiki"

yes i checked and rechecked the syntaxis over and again (it did work for the other bots, didn't it?) and also checked the software versions of meta and ja, but they were identical, so i do not understand what is wrong here with the steward interface? oscar 23:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Is it because jawiki located at Korean cluster, (quoted: and can't be directly accessed or manipulated from the Florida cluster)? Borgx 00:36, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Boilerplate

The following discussion is closed: done

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I assume no-one minds if I add the following section above "Current requests"? It is a boilerplate template similar to the one at Requests for permissions. If no-one minds, I'll add it tomorrow.

<nowiki>
==Boilerplate template for bot requests==
The text below is a template for requesting bot permissions on a wiki. Please copy it and complete the two required points, plus other salient information.
<pre>
===== [[:xx:User:bot name]] =====
I request that [[:xx:User:bot name]] gets bot flag on ''project name'':
*'''Language Code:''' XX
*'''Local Request Link:''' [[:xx:Project:XXXXX]]
*'''Local User Page:''' [[:xx::User:XXXXX]]
Thank you. ~~~~

1. Be sure to indicate that you have gotten community approval (if there is no community, please indicate that)
2. Be sure to include all the required information requested. Without it, your request cannot be processed.

</nowiki>

Jon Harald Søby 10:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Get first community approval, or not?

Now many requests are done by users who request it on meta together with there request on there local wiki. The result is mostly a comment form a steward that the need to wait. This is because it seems that on many requests for botstatus is written that the need to request it on there local wiki and on meta. But I would be more practical if the first get approval on there local wiki and only after that come to request it in meta.

Thoughts about this? --Walter 15:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Bot policy and bot flag request template page

I've created a template for a bot policy and bot flag request page based on the bot policy page at no so that users requesting bot flag on wikis with no such policy can easily create it. Please review the text and once it becomes stable I'll add a link on the corresponding section of this page. --Ascánder 21:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Bot flagging now bureaucrat task

Just a quick note (cross posted to Talk:Stewards and Talk:Requests for permissions for full disclosure) that an extension has now been enabled making bot flagging a task for local bureaucrats (accomplished through the Special:Makebot interface). This allows for both flagging and deflagging. Knowing that bot flagging has been described as a less-than-happy-task by stewards, I assume bot requests will now be handled like Requests for permissions; that is, if there is a local bureaucrat, stewards won't set them any longer. Am I correct in this? (I'll be watching here for requests from en.wiki; I've already cleaned up what I could find.) I suppose this would be the right place for discussion of this (as opposed to the other two pages I've cross-posted). Essjay (Talk • Connect) 09:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, bot requests are now no different to admin requests (apart from the fact bureaucrats can also remove bot privileges). Therefore, stewards shouldn't handle them in situations where there is an active local bureaucrat. Angela 10:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Notification

Did people stop notifying local Wikis when a bot flag had been turned on? We've got a load of pending requests on tg:Википедиа:Ботҳо that appear to have not been fulfilled, but some of the bots aren't showing up in the recent changes anymore. Is this policy or just forgetfulness? :) - FrancisTyers 19:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Probably forgetfulness... Many request and more to come. I have ~85 community input requests for bot status in progress. Many on wiki's with no bureaucrats... I've also seen PipepBot requests almost everywhere I went. Cheers! Siebrand 23:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

You can check to see if the bots are marked as bot by going to special:listusers and selecting the "Bot" dropdown. Notably, SieBot on tgwiki is already +Bot. I'll pester someone today if I see 'em. ~Kylu (u|t) 23:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I was thinking of going for Bureaucrat status actually on tg.wiki, we have enough bot requests that it gets tedious both both you guys and me I think (I always end up having to copy/paste the requests onto meta). Are there guidelines or a policy for how many users/pages/bots a Wiki should have before a bureaucrat is allowed? - FrancisTyers 12:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Generally it varies wiki to wiki. If you think you need a bureaucrat, start a vote. If the community gives you the thumbs up, bring it to Requests for permissions, and then you'll get the permissions as long as there's good community support. Thunderhead 12:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, we have at most 5 active users, but only 3 are around at the moment. Would 3 votes be sufficient? - FrancisTyers 13:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Bot status backlog

The page is getting quite long. If your username happens to be Siebrand or Pipep, I'd be appreciated if you waited longer before adding more requests. ;)--Shanel 21:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

We're back at 9 open requests. Thanks for taking care of the backlog. Cheers! Siebrand 10:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

This goes for Multichill and Alleborgo too. Page lengtheners. :O--Shanel 21:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

They probably did what I did a few months ago: systematically going through the list of all Wikipedias requesting a bot flag. After a week or so, they request the flag for Wikipedias that do not have local bureaucrats here. Shit happens :) Cheers! Siebrand 23:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the flags Shanel! I archived most of my requests so the page now is a lot shorter. Multichill 20:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

If I mark a request "done", should I also say that it is closed and will be archived soon?--Jusjih 03:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC) (new steward)

Should the policy about bot flag be more strict?

Many bots appear in wikipedias without a bot flag. That does not help much, because there are many interwiki bots already, and one more is not a matter of vital importance; still those bots without flag make the recent changes page a real mess. Maybe the policy about getting the flag first should be stricter? Slavik IVANOV 13:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

How about a stricter policy? I really don't like the situation, when bot owners get offended like in this case. Slavik IVANOV 18:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

We have a standard bot policy, are you saying that needs tightening? What specific changes do you have in mind? Perhaps propose them there? ++Lar: t/c 14:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I mean, bot owners should not run their flags for more than, say, 50 edits, if the bot has no flag in a certain wikipedia. Slavik IVANOV 17:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Backlog?

It's nothing big, of course, but would somebody look at the backlog, please? Some valid requests are dated 12 October. Thanks! Yury Tarasievich 11:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I was just noticing that. Apparently, the oldest request yet to be attended is about a month old. I guess I'll have to wait at least a month for my bot bit. 195.23.53.14 14:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC) Malafaya

bots in crh Wikipedia

Currently, there are 8 bots in the newly created Crimean Tatar wikipedia, but nobody of their masters requested bot status here or elsewhere. Can I myself request bot flag for them here, or their masters are to do it before? Don Alessandro 14:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Probably best if they themselves requested it, after a community discussion to seek consensus, if at all possible. Asking them to work to have the standard bot policy adopted at that wiki would be extra goodness. ++Lar: t/c 20:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

plwiki's Bot flag request is down.

They stopped the bot flag request for a long time since 2007/12--Alex S.H. Lin 13:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I read (elsewhere) that, in order to be allowed to operate an interwiki bot possibly affecting the Polish wikipedia, you need to demonstrate "sufficient" command of the Polish language. Maybe that is, why. --Purodha Blissenbach 08:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

How to proceed without a common language with local bureaucrat?

I am bringing this topic up because it may affect others, is likely to occur more often, and a general solution should possibly be sought and mentioned in the hints at the beginnig of page [[::Steward requests/Bot status]].

In the Bashkieri Wikipedia, there are two (at least) bot flag requests pending (Purbo T, Alexbot), there is only one bureaucrat (w:ba:Special:Listusers/bureaucrat), who does not read english according to his Babel-boxes (ba:Ҡатнашыусы:Рөстәм_Нурыев). (S)he should be asked to grant the pending bot flags now or at some point of time in the future. Standard bot policy applies (w:ba:Ҡоролтай and w:ba:Ҡоролтай#Bot policy). A problem is, you need someone who writes either of the languages that the local bureaucrat understands.

I am not really striken hard by it, in this instance, because Рөстәм_Нурыев reads Russian (ru-3) and my Russian (ru-1) is sufficient to get a text together, although I likely have to look every other word up from dictionaries, which, of course, do not know of the termini technici of wikiland which I have to spot elsewhere, and I have to copy/paste every single character of cyrillic script from somewhere, because I do not have a cyrillic keyboard, and don't know the cyrillic keykoard layout (although I'm pretty good at handwriting). So, I can help myself spending a huge lot of labour.

Yet I think, there should be a more standard way of notifying local bureaucrats, independant of language. Maybe providing a simple, translated sentence on the local request page of each wiki will do, or something like that. Any other ideas? --Purodha Blissenbach 10:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps a set of translated phrases kept here on Meta for a set of common eventualities, and a canned message (pasteable) that itself comes in multiple languages that is only a link to the right one? ... I think talking to the translation guys might be a good idea. Commons has message templates in multiple languages which are used to get round language barriers. They work, although not awesomely well. ++Lar: t/c 11:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

New requests at bottom?

I recently noticed this change: "Please add new requests at the bottom of this section.". I realized many users still put their requests on top. Is this they way to go now or not? Malafaya 09:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather see all the pages use the same ordering, but don't care which so much. A lot of pages elsewhere use top ordering rather than bottom. ++Lar: t/c 11:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely agree with Lar here, on the SRP the requests go on top, so I would prefer this here too (it seems more established) on SRCU it is absolutely chaotic, people add new ones on top and at the bottom... Thanks for bringing this up, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| ∇ 12:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It looks like for the most part new ones are going to the bottom (or some helpful wikigknome is moving them) now. ++Lar: t/c 02:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

what to do about az.wikipedia ?

See Steward_requests/Bot_status#az.wikipedia ... we have some from July. I have been not doing anything because I can't quite puzzle out, is the standard bot policy in effect there, or not? ++Lar: t/c 02:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC) We have some bot requests from

Globak bots

Does bots that have global bot rights need to seek seperate bot permissions for Wikis ( for interwiki task) that allow global bots ? Tinucherian 15:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

A little late answer, but no, they do not (the reason for creating global bots is excactly this) Laaknor 16:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, for certain Wikipedias, they do. Wikipedias that do not have the standard bot policy will need to make a request on. Other than that, yes, you don't really need to. Cheers, Razorflame 04:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

li.wikt

The Limburgish Wiktionary does not except any new bot, until there is more clear about the policy. --OosWesThoesBes 13:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

li.wikt is listed as automatic approval. Can you provide a link to a local discussion suspending this, so that we can update the policy here? Laaknor 13:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, of course [1]. This discussion is in Limburgish, I hope you can do something with it. --OosWesThoesBes 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I've updated to bot-policy with li.wikt still using the bot policy, but that automatic approval is not allowed. As far as I could read your discussion, the questions are about spellchecking? If there is something you wish help with, it would be great if you could have the discussion in english, so that others are able to answer on your questions... Laaknor 16:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The most important problems are global bots, automatic approval and checking bot edits. Global bots and automatic approval is not really trusted by most of our users. We've decided that spellingscheck will be forbidden, because it's a wiktionary and there are many languages on it. Spellingscheck will result in a mess. --OosWesThoesBes 18:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello OosWesThoesBes. Global bots are strictly prohibited from spellchecking or other tasks not explicitly listed by the standard bot policy, unless they first obtain local community permission. I disabled global bots on that wiki; let me know if the local community changes their mind. —Pathoschild 22:28:38, 02 March 2009 (UTC)

I know, but that was about all bots. The wiki has now officially rejected global bots and automatic approval. Please only flag bots on li.wikt when they have community approval. --OosWesThoesBes 17:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

How to proceed establishing standard bot policy?

Currently, standard bot policy has been proposed on acewiki, cbkwiki, mwlwiki, pnbwiki. That was weeks ago. I do not know, what to do to have them established now, finally. Can I do something about it? Is a steward required to finalize this? --Purodha Blissenbach 20:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Adding the wiki to the global bot-wikiset requires a steward, and right now there are a lot of vacation and other stuff with the people normally working with this, and so it's been a while since we could work with this.. Laaknor 20:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so I just hang on. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

sq.wikipedia

Is it true that sq.wikipedia allows global bot? I suppose it's typo ... should be sg.wikipedia. --Dnikitin 20:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

never mind ... my mistake. --Dnikitin 20:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Bots in pcd.wikipdia

In pcd.wiki there are no 'crats and administrators. There is no description of local bot policy and the only pages in the namespace "Wikipedia" are pcd:Wikipedia:Accueul del conminnité and pcd:Wikipédia:Babel. Would it be correct if I make the request for flag on the page pcd:Wikipedia:Accueul del conminnité with subsequent assigning on meta? --Emaus 20:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Bot policy#Inactive global bots should lose their global bot status

Please see the proposal at Talk:Bot policy#Inactive global bots should lose their global bot status and voice your opinion there. --UV 11:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

So Wikipdia

Hello, Hello, my name is saraar, and I'm mainly active on Somali Wikipedia is where I am not responsible and I want to become an editor and administrator, of Somalia Wikipedia. Somali Wikipedia needs of editors and administrators . Can you help me. thank you saraar 16:10, 13 Jun 2011 (UTC)

You'd need to make a request on this page. Jafeluv 14:16, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

GedawyBot@*.wikisource

GedawayBot has here been granted a lot of flags on Wikisource-projects. But even if I have looked in a number of these projects (but not all), I can only see one edit in ns-0. I would prefer you to be more carefull, when granting these flags en masse in Wikisource-projects. Iw-linking in ns-0 on Wikisource looks much different from Wikipedia. GedawayBot still looks untested on Wikisource from my point of view. Pywikipedia is well tested in Wikipedia, but still has some shortcomings in ns-0 in Wikisource. -- Lavallen (talk) 09:14, 24 February 2012 (UTC) (And no, I do not ask you to revoke these flags, only to be more carefull in the future.)

That's why you may note that most of my edits there are in "Wikisource" namespace.--M.Gedawy ^Talk 07:50, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

ns-project is a good place to start, but is not enough to prove that the bot can meet the challenges in ns-0. Bonne chance with your bot! -- Lavallen (talk) 08:32, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

sv.wikisource

A policy-page has been made on s:sv:Wikisource:Robotar. I do not know how this affects your templates, like {{sr-request}}. (Nothing has been changed, we still do no apply "automatic approval" and do not follow the Global bot-policy.) s:sv:Wikisource:Mötesplatsen is still the place to request botstatus. -- Lavallen (talk) 08:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

A problem with the User:Justincheng12345-bot.

• I was alerted to this Bot by a strange message left by an administrator of the Latvian Wikipedia upon Talk page of the Bot-owner in the Chinese Wikipedia, after an edit taken place elsewhere, a place that I no longer care to, nor possibly able to, recall. The Bot-owner apparently has been receiving warnings by administrators at least in the Finnish (fi.), the Latvian (lv.) and the Scottish Gaelic (gd.) Wikipedia, and is also contacted by administrators at least in the Tamil (ta.) and the Georgian (ka.) Wikipedia. The Bot does not in fact appear to have a Global flag, nor does it appear to be a Global-Bot, at least not according to this, at [2].
• The Bot-owner's nationality appears to be Chinese, Chinese (Hong Kong) or Chinese (Macau). — 99801155KC9TV (talk) 08:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Answered in en:WP:ANI.Justincheng12345 (talk) 15:37, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Remove invisible unicode characters from pagetitles in various projects

It turns that Mediawiki allows invisible characters in pagetitles. For example the following two pages only different on an inivisible unicode character

https://bo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%9D%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A3%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8D

https://bo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A3%E2%80%8B%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%9D%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A3%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8D

The one exists and the other doesn't. This causes the problem that the page can't be called directly by typing its title. We need a bot to move these pages to the same title without the invisible character. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

MassMessage

Tracked in Phabricator:
Bug 57464

Tracked in Phabricator:
Bug 55384

Bots without masters is a lovely new feature!

Something has gone wrong twice, and I do not know where to fix it! -- Lavallen 09:45, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

It is because the page is is NS_MAIN while MassMessage is only capable of posting in NS_USER(_TALK) and NS_PROJECT. T he only real way to fix it is to correct the links on the two pages being used to send the messages from as they are post likely a victim of either forgetting the namespace or interwiki link is project namespace. John F. Lewis (talk) 13:28, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually smart thing is; @Legoktm: John F. Lewis (talk) 13:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, is the target-page in one of the cases in ns_project, but the mw-bot fails to recognize it. The other sending page can't I find. -- Lavallen 19:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

RfC on revoking Global bot flags from inactive accounts

There's a proposal to revoke Global bot flags from inactive accounts (those used prior to Feb 2013 for maintaining interwikis). Please share your thoughts on Requests for comment/Inactive Global bot accounts. --Xelgen (talk) 22:08, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Bot to remove link FA/GA/FL when entry exists in Wikidata

It seems most projects started removing link FA/GA/FL. There is a discussion at en:User_talk:Ladsgroup#Link_FA.2FGA_migrating. We need a bot to finish the job in all projects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't think here is appropriate forum, but FYI, Chobot on kowiki has done it locally. — Revi 14:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

User:-revi Thanks. I would like to make a list of which wikis already have a bot doing the task. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:49, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Request for Bot Flag

Please, give a Bot Flag for the bot of the participant ru:Участник:Ace111 in Vepsian Wikipedia [3]. I made Template: vep:Kävutai:Hunu/Letenik like en:Template:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias but it is not working correctly without this bot. Thank you in advance, Hunu (talk) 12:16, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Please, make a formal request. Ruslik (talk) 16:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Really, really inactive bots

Hi. I'm an admin and 'crat on Ladino Wikipedia, and I'm trying to clean things up. I've got about 32 accounts flagged as bots there. A little over half of them have not made any edits in five years, and over half of the rest have not made any edits in three years. Many of them, though not all, seemed to have been involved in setting iw links, too. Do I need to put up a discussion at our version of Village Pump, or can I just go ahead and deflag these? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello StevenJ81. I'd say that, absent a local inactivity bot policy, and the silence from this global bot policy on the matter, you should open a thread at your VP and leave it open for a week at least (or more if your wiki is very small or with low participation). Maybe asking the operators of the bots could be also a good idea too. That's what I'd do. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 22:46, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. StevenJ81 (talk) 04:15, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Forget bot password

Hi! I forget my bot password. What I do now?--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 11:21, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Create a new account? --MF-W 10:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi dear MF-W! Yes I creted azb:ایشلدن:Ebrahimi2bot. But this bot dont have bot status.--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 18:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Fix broken line-through in 2005 archive

In topic 'pt:PCM' of the 2005 archive someone has left a strike-through tag open rendering of half the archive page really hard to read. Tried to fix it but not allowed to edit. Could someone with the necessary permissions fix this? (Why? Reading for research purposes.) The archive's URL is [[4]]. thanks Mwra (talk) 19:58, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Done thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 20:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Should I apply for Global Bot Status?

Dear admin and editors on the Steward_requests (please advice if there are better venue for this discussion):

I am applying bot status for m:User:Xinbenlv_bot which reports inconsistent birthday across different Wikipedias. We inconsistency data across ~40 languages of Wikipedia, and as you can see I am applying for local communities (8 at this moment) in a few of the most active Wikipedias at this moment. We have go the first Wikipedia approval and are getting the second one. I wonder, if the bot runs for longer and have been approved by a few other Wikipedias, if will it be a good case to apply for a Global bot? It doesn't falls into fixing interlanguage links nor double links, but it seems somewhat conceptually similar. What would you advice? Xinbenlv (talk) 02:36, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

You shouldn't need bot status for some small amounts of edits as you are proposing. You should be able to make small numbers of edits at a slow rate by a declaration on your user page. Bot status is required as a permissions change to have the edits hidden from a standard view of recent changes, or to edit at a high rate, or to grab large numbers of pages, and that doesn't sound necessary for what you are looking to do. Some wikis may require to seek permissions for edits like that, and that permission is required to be done locally at each wiki.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: Thanks for explanation. We have around 60K data overall and typically for a major language we have about 10K pairs of inconsistencies. Will that be considered "small numbers" if we edit at a slow rate like 1~3 edit per minutes per Wikipedia? Xinbenlv (talk) 18:48, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

These wikis have their rules on editing rates, and what you can do when changing data, which is why such requests cannot be handled globally—stewards don't make the rules for the individual wikis, nor know them. For some wikis that will be acceptable, for others it won't. Yes, it is a PITA to have to ask each wiki, however, it is for the best.  — billinghurst sDrewth 20:58, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Bot Access

user name :- Pooja Jadhav Bot Support link:- https://mr.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A4:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A1%E0%A5%80/%E0%A4%87%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%B0_%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE

Special requirements in Hungarian Wikipedia

A proposed policy in huwiki says: "Global bots are welcome, but you still need either a local or a global user page for the bot. The minimal required content is the task the bot is performing, the software used, and your username and home wiki. Please leave a soft redirect to a talk page you watch regularly on the local talk page of the bot."

Although the policy is not yet accepted, this requirement has been expected for long times, and can be derived from other policies. The new thing is that it will soon be explicit.

Now I only see the possibility to declare that huwiki has opted in to global bots. How can we notify the global community and the bot owners requesting a global flag about the special requirements? E.g. the newest request does not comply with this regulation. Bináris ^{tell me} 10:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

A detailed English summuary for international bot owners can be found at hu:Szerkesztő:Bináris/Tervek/A botmunka szabályozása#English summary (current status is proposal, but likely to be accepted, the link will change). Bináris ^{tell me} 10:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bináris I don't think there is a technical way to enforce that. A Notes column could be probably added to Bot policy/Implementation, but unfortunately, it's going to be quite easy to overlook it.

That said, not all global bots are actually intended to operate on hu.wikipedia. For instance, the newest request (JhsBot) is not actually expected to operate at huwiki (it'll only operate on newly created projects and Wikidata). So perhaps a reasonable solution could be to add an appropriate page to Bot policy/New global bot discussion (so you get notified about all new requests), assess whether the task is relevant to huwiki, and remind the operators manually? Fortunately, new global bot requests are not really frequent.

An alternative way would be to propose amendment of Global bots, so a certain user page is required formally for all global bots (but of course, that proposal may or may not pass).

Hope this helps. Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

A similar discussion I had with @MarcoAurelio: might be helpful too: [5] That being said, most global bots do fulfill this requirement already so I do not think such a restriction would be as severe as what arywiki has on the books. --Rschen7754 04:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

What about creating a subpage of Global bots, and refer to it with one sentence? That would not change the policy, only direct the bot owners to the subpage where special requirements of wikis are listed? Bináris ^{tell me} 21:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Bináris, personally, I think that introducing per-wiki requirements for usage of the global bot right would be counterproductive, for the reasons described below.

There are two kind of global bots: bots that can work on a new wiki autonomously ("fully autonomous global bots") and bots that need to be configured on each wiki ("configured global bots"). An example of a fully autonomous global bot are bots to fix double redirects or (in pre-Wikidata era) to sync interwiki links. An example of a configured global bot is InterntArchiveBot, which fights against rotlinks.

For configured global bots, checking local requirements probably can be a part of the wiki configuration process. Those bots require human intervention to run on a new wiki already, and checking local requirements wouldn't pose an issue.

However, fully autonomous bots (like double redirect fixers) currently don't need any human intervention to adapt to a new wiki. Introducing (any) local requirements would mean operators of those bot would potentially have to check hundreds of wikis manually, and adapt to their requirements. In my opinion, that would make global bot flag significantly less useful (they might also just apply for local bot flags everywhere).

That said, I do understand the importantness of having certain details about the bot and its operator on the bot's userpage. In my opinion, if we need to formally define user page requirements for global bots, it should happen globally, not in local policies.

Best, Martin Urbanec (talk) 13:52, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand, why are there two green cells at huwiki in Bot policy/Implementation. We have no automatical approval. How did that get here? Bináris ^{tell me} 23:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Bináris, I'm sorry if that's not the right page, but hu:Wikipédia:Bürokraták üzenőfala/Botjelentkezés (linked from Bot policy/Implementation) says "This wiki uses the standard bot policy, and allows [...] automatic approval of certain types of bots", which indicates that automatic approval is authorized at huwiki.

If it's not intentional, the community should feel free to update the hu:Wikipédia:Bürokraták üzenőfala/Botjelentkezés page and change the autoapproval cell at Bot policy/Implementation to red. But, this is why it is green there currently.

Sincerely, Martin Urbanec (talk) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I corrected the local redirect to the current policy page (which will soon be replaced by a new one), and updated the table. Sorry, I don't find the above quoted text on the page. :-O Would it be possible to enhance Bot policy/Implementation/project with a new optional column "Notices" which would be a good place for special individual requirements? Bináris ^{tell me} 10:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)