Talk:Wiki Society of the Philippines/Archive 1

Discussion in creating Wikimedia Philippines were initially posed in Wikipedia discussion boards. --Exec8 18:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Legal Forms to Use

• Living in the Philippines
• Forms Philippines
• Securities and Exchange Commission

Friendster group

• www.friendster.com/pinoywikipedia
• Pinoy Wikipedia Friendster Group
• Facebook group keyword: "Pinoy Wikipedia"
• pinoywikipedia.multiply.com
• www.come.to/wikipedia
• PhilWiki Yahoo Group

--Exec8 08:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Philippines setup

What are the things we need to do to formalize this organization? --Exec8 10:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

We need the following:

• Basic requirements:
  • Name verification slip
  • Articles of Incorporation and By-laws
  • Affidavit of an incorporator or director undertaking to change corporate name
  • List of members, certified by the Corporate Secretary
  • List of contributors and amount contributed certified by the treasurer
  • Registration Data Sheet
• Additional, specific requirements:
  • Notarized Certificate of Bank Deposit of the contribution of not less than P1,000,000.00
  • Statement of willingness to allow the SEC to conduct an audit
  • Registration as a charitable organization with the DSWD
• Other documents
  • TIN registration with the BIR (to be done after incorporation but before we start any business)
  • Registration as an NGO (donations to orgs such as ours are tax deductible under Philippine law), but I don't know how to do this
  • Name registration with the DTI (to be done after we have already registered with the SEC)
  • Local documents (depends on which city or municipality we register in)
  • Registration as an employer with the SSS (if we ever hire anyone)

Items in italics are not necessary if they are already specified in the Articles of Incorporation. All supporting documents (at the SEC) must be done in sextuplicate (that's a lot of documents), although I think it can be done. We also need a permanent address; I'll inquire about vacant office space near my house. --Sky Harbor 15:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is there a need for different ethno-linguistic groups to join Wikimedia Philippines?

Philippines as an ideological concept has oppressed different ethno-linguistic groups by wittingly and unwittingly promoting a homogenous nation-state such as by promoting a national language. According to this viewpoint, it is against the interest of different ethno-linguistic groups to join a group connected in promoting this ideological concept. Wikipedia Philippines can only be unifying if it rejects homogeneity as a basis of "Philippines". As such, Tagalog or even "Filipino" should not be used as a default for communication.

That is the reason why English is the official language of Wikimedia Philippines (Section 2, Bylaws): to avoid "favoritism" (for lack of a better term) of any native language as the Association's language. Correspondence though shall be translated to all Philippine languages where there is an existing Wikipedia or Wikimedia project. --Sky Harbor 05:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't really believe that choosing Tagalog as the official language is really favouritism. And even if it is, it's better to give favour to a language of our own compared to giving favour to a foreign language. Other Wikimedia chapters use as their official language the predominant language in their locale while there are minority languages also present in their locale. So that would only mean that they are also practising favouritism in such predominant language. We should use Tagalog as the official langauge and name the corporation as Wikimedia Pilipinas, Inc.. Using a foreign language also opresses different ethno-linguistic groups because it favours another ethnic group: the Americans, Brittons and other English-speaking peoples. If we really want a language that favours no ethnic group then let's use artificial languages like Interlingua and Esperanto (Although this is very impractical since it would be very unlikely that members will be learning to speak this language just to join Wikimedia).--Felipe Aira 07:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

If I were to follow your argument, you're basically telling me that it would be useless for African countries to use French or English as their official language and language of inter-ethnic communication because it favoritizes colonial favoritism and colonial mentality. English was chosen on the premise that it is culture-neutral to any indigenous Philippine culture without regard to foreign culture. If we ever have foreigners join WMPH, English is certainly more practical than Tagalog in communication. Besides, everything would be promulgated in the 10 Philippine languages where there is an active Wikimedia project, so we still issue stuff in Tagalog. It's just that the English is official. --Sky Harbor 00:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

How about Wikimedia Pilipinas instead of Wikimedia Philippines be the official name of the organisation? As stated in Guidelines for future chapters#Name of the organization, the name of the organsation must be named as "Wikimedia [locale in local language]". Tagalog is our local langauge, is it not? -- Felipe Aira 10:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The fact that it is a guideline means that it does not have to be strictly followed. To quote: "The legal name of the organization should be "Wikimedia [name of country in local language]". English and Filipino are our official languages, and there is more than one "local language" in the Philippines. If we want to err on the side of caution, I'd stick with the original English. --Sky Harbor 14:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Wiki Group Meetup

I encourage everybody to participate in this meeting. Please post your replies to Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2 --Exec8 06:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Domain name

If ever that we get incorporated what domain name shall we use?

1. Will we be under the *.wikimedia.org hierarchy? tl.wikimedia.org , ph.wikimedia.org , pilipinas.wikimedia.org
2. Will we register under a separate site? www.wikimediaphilippines.org , www.wikimedia-philippines.org , www.wikimediapilipinas.org , www.wikimedia-pilipinas.org , www.wikimediaphilippines.org.ph , www.wikimedia-philippines.org.ph , www.wikimediapilipinas.org.ph , www.wikimedia-pilipinas.org.ph

-- Felipe Aira 13:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

In Response to #2, I think the format for Wikimedia chapter sites is wikimedia.country-code, so for Wikimedia Phillipines, that would wikimedia.ph. Cbrown1023 talk 14:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

.ph as a second-level domain as far as I'm concerned is not commonly used among Philippine sites in general, so I'd prefer wikimedia.org.ph. --Sky Harbor 14:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Activity/Activities

If ever that we get incorporated, what shall be our primary activities? I personally suggest that we burn copies of the Featured articles of the Philippine-language Wikipedias, Wiktionaries, and Wikibooks to CD's and distribute it to public schools for free, hence we are a charitable organisation, a very coped and appropriate title to our chapter.

Although there's quite a problem with it:

1. We need lots and lots of money to buy the CD's. Although CD's are only like PHP 12 each (and for us it might be as low as 8 pesos only because if ever that this will happen, we'll most probably buy them en masse, in which situation may give us some discounts.), if we ever plan to distribute them to public schools and ill-fated children wishing for knowledge, we'll need maybe about more than 10,000 copies. That's about 80,000 pesos! Too large to be compensated even if our, by chance, yearly membership fee would be 5,000 pesos. Unless a very charitable company, person and/or the government gives us some money, which personnally I believe to be next to impossible.
2. The featured articles on Philippine-language wikis are less than 100. And even if we include other articles, I don't believe it will even reach 2,000. Almost all Philippine Wikipedia articles are stubs!

-- Felipe Aira 12:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

New checklist

Following a re-reading of the requirements, the following checklist has been devised. Completed items are in bold.

• Basic requirements:
  • Name verification slip (expires August 3, 2008)
  • Articles of Incorporation and By-laws
    • Affidavit of an incorporator or director undertaking to change corporate name (in the AoI)
    • List of members, certified by the Corporate Secretary (will be attached as an annex; see the participants list)
    • List of contributors and amount contributed certified by the treasurer (in the AoI)
      • Treasurer's Affidavit
  • Registration Data Sheet
• Additional, specific requirements/Other documents and requirements:
  • Registration as a charitable organization/NGO with the DSWD (maybe)
  • TIN registration with the BIR
  • Local documents
    • Barangay clearance
    • Community tax certificate (a.k.a. cedula)
    • Local business permit
    • Locational clearance (optional; only if we have an actual office)
  • Labor documents
    • Registration as an employer with the DOLE and the SSS (optional; only if we ever hire anyone)

Updates will be posted periodically. --Sky Harbor 19:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Planning for Manila 5

Good day! Planning is underway for the next meet-up in Manila. While the discussion has not (yet) been moved here, feel free to post your feedback and comments on the discussion at the EN Tambayan. Thank you, --- Titopao 01:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Address?

Hi, I plan to send the first set of Bookshelf materials to your chapter. Could someone email the chapter address to me at: aradhanawikimedia.org? Thanks, Aradhanar

Hi Aradhanar, I just emailed our chapter address to you. Thanks! :-) --Jojit (talk) 07:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PCNC is no longer the accrediting entity for donee institutions

I came across this [1]. It's either we obtain accreditation from CHED or DSWD.--Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 08:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

If I may ask, why was this stricken out? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 07:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Why is age and birthday required?

I was in the midst of filling out the membership form but stopped because it asked for age and birthdate. Why are these required to be given? is it a legal requirement from the government? (Which then begs the question why it is a government requirement, but that is not an issue here.) While I believe in full transparency (see below), I am nervous about giving out information such as birthdates that can be used for those who want to steal my identity and ruin my credit rating in the US or put me on the hook for debt that I did not authorize. If there is a good reason for such information, then I would be happy to give it. I just can't think of why it would be necessary for the Wikimedia Philippines to have such information. --Bruce Hall 03:21, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

It is necessary because we use it to determine eligibility for potential candidacy in Board elections, as well as to determine whether one is fit to legally represent the chapter in legal matters (such as signing contracts). We assure you that the information will not be disclosed to anyone else without your consent, and the information will only be for recording and archival purposes. I hope you'll still consider joining Wikimedia Philippines, and if you're still hesitant, you may e-mail membership@wikimedia.org.ph for further assistance on the matter. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 18:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedia Philippines is a public, non-private effort. Why keep the participants Wiki Usernames private?

Before joining I was interested in who was Wikimedia Philippines and so I went to the membership page and read, "For privacy reasons, the list of members is not publicly released." I believe in full transparency and accountable. Lord knows, we need more of that in the world and in the Philippines. I believe it is therefore important for us to model that -- to model full transparency and accountability. Since editing Wikipedia and other projects is a public act, not a private one, then those that participate have already by their own actions made their Wikimedia user names public. Why not just list it here? I cannot think of a good practical reason not to list it. I cannot think of what additional harm would come to people to have their usernames also listed here. I believe in keeping information private if and only if (a) there is a discrete, concrete, identifiable harm to people if the information is shared (such as identity theft), and (b) that information is not already available. I don't think that keeping the list private meets either requirement. Am I missing something? --Bruce Hall 03:21, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

It was decided by the Board of Trustees to hide the list from public eyes because we felt that disclosing too much information about our members on a public wiki will probably lead to the very acts of identity theft and harassment you cited earlier. At the same time, not all members of Wikimedia Philippines are Wikimedians, and we cannot assuage that all members will be comfortable with having their information disclosed on a public wiki, unless they're already editing Wikipedia and are already comfortable with disclosing their information publicly. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 18:53, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposal for closing Chavacano Wikipedia

Please comment - Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Chavacano Wikipedia. Can we get some native speakers to contribute to cbk-zam.wikipedia.org? What about Outreach? --Jrodriguezvillalobos (talk) 20:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Local websites after de-recognition

What will happen with http://www.wikimedia.org.ph/ ? Maybe Maor X has ideas? --Nemo 08:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: It's now "Account Suspended". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

And now it doesn't resolve. --Nemo 14:04, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: Whois.com told me that "Invalid domain name..." this even can't resolve? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)