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Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network/2022-08

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Meeting details

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August 31, 2022 - Wednesday -

Agenda

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  • Quick updates from attendees (1 minute each)
  • Community conversation and demonstration of View it!, a new tool in development. View it! is a tool that will show Wikipedia users (editors and hopefully readers, too) relevant Wikimedia Commons media depicting - or otherwise related to - the article they are viewing.
    • The number of images displayed in a Wikipedia article is finite and highly curated by editors; through View it! users will have access to the full catalog of images available on Wikimedia Commons. View it! will increase discoverability of Wikimedia Commons uploads and encourage contributors to utilize Commons and structured data.
    • Join Dominic Byrd-McDevitt User:Dominic, Kevin Payravi User:SuperHamster, and Jamie Flood User:JamieF to share more about the vision for View it! and have a community conversation about functionality of the tool and suggestions for structured data to be utilized.
    • Meta page View_it!_Tool for sign up and updates (or beta testing)

Attendees

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  • Mary Mark Ockerbloom (WIR, Annual Reviews) - expanded Wikidata for WikiProject Craft (outside her WiR position) including subject terms from the American Craft Council. There are 1400 Wikidata items that link to Wikiproject craft and close to 900 pages tagged as being related to WikiProject Craft. It could help with editing events.
  • Rachel Helps (WiR, Brigham Young University Library) - recently attended Wikimedia+Libraries conference. This event is focused on academic libraries. I live tweeted the event, so anyone who wants to know more can see my twitter. https://twitter.com/Rachel_Helps/status/1550885575892340737?s=20&t=-BSezQKfSJoRIqgDkOSVkw
  • Doreva Belfiore (Philadelphia WikiSalon) user:dorevabelfiore
  • Rute Correia (WiR, NOVA FCSH/Wikimedia Portugal)
  • Jamie Flood (JamieF, WiR, USDA-NAL) - she's now the senior Wikimedian at NAL and focusing on broader outreach. They're doing an edit-a-thon on predictive microbiology and they're having a speaker series on alternative forms of land access
  • Daniel Damilola Obiokeke (WiR, The Africa Narrative) user:DaniDamiObi
  • Ceslause Ogbonnaya (WiR, Africa No FIlter) - resumed at WiR for African initiative between African Futures and Wikimedia to decolonize the internet and have more content about Africa. They will have monthly themed initiatives. They will train journalists and researchers on networks of the future.
  • Lane Rasberry
  • Nat Green - WiR at the Cincinatti Art Museum (CAM). They are working on getting image donations from CAM to improve local articles.
  • Richard Knipel - was trying to make a map of some historic world's fairs
  • Martin Poulter - Arts Collection Philanthropist - his position is changing to include cultural diversity on Wikipedia, which will include art outside the western canon. He'll be starting a project like Women in Red but for outside the Eurocentric western tradition
  • Magnus Salgo
  • Nana Tymkiv
  • Mohammad Aw...
  • Rainer Halama
  • Rosie Stephenson Goodnight
  • Susanna Anas
  • Tore Danielsson
  • Wilson Oluwa
  • Chibuike Ezenw
  • Christine Esalo
  • Dominic Byrd-McDevitt
  • Giovanna Fontenelle
  • Emmanuel Yebo...
  • Jeffrey Beall
  • Jess Asideu-A...
  • Jill Reilly
  • Joe Mabel
  • Kevin Payravi
  • Habib Mhenni (Dyolf77)

Notes

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  • View It
    • Check it out! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/View_it!_Tool
    • Community conversation and demonstration of View it!, a new tool in development. View it! is a tool that will show Wikipedia users (editors and hopefully readers, too) relevant Wikimedia Commons media depicting - or otherwise related to - the article they are viewing.
    • The number of images displayed in a Wikipedia article is finite and highly curated by editors; through View it! users will have access to the full catalog of images available on Wikimedia Commons. View it! will increase discoverability of Wikimedia Commons uploads and encourage contributors to utilize Commons and structured data.
    • structured data includes "depicts" statements, it could be expanded (?) to include queries on collection, creator, and location of creation for someone like Van Gogh
    • media search on Commons now uses structured data from WikiData (!)
    • View It! can show editors all the material on Commons that is relevant to the article they're reading, and eventually create editing shortcuts to increase discoverability/use of images from Commons
    • examples:
      • Javan white-eye (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javan_white-eye) shows 85 other images of the bird species than the one on the Wikipedia page.
      • Dike (geology) - shows more photos with "depicts dike" in their structured data
      • San Simmons (comedian)
    • this tool could be more useful outside of enwiki, because structured data, and thus View It!, is multilingual
    • it could help editors of structured data to diffuse disambiguation pages or correct data
    • it works on sister projects like Wiki Voyage and Wikidata!
    • SPARQL Query on towns without a P18 statement--often the view tab will show images on Commons that could be added to items on Wikidata
    • The tool is hosted on ToolForge. How can we get more users to find and use this tool? We could make a pop-up with a gallery.
    • Join the development team: Dominic Byrd-McDevitt User:Dominic (Project Manager), Kevin Payravi User:SuperHamster (Tech), and Jamie Flood User:JamieF (Community) to share more about the vision for View it! and have a community conversation about functionality of the tool and suggestions for structured data to be utilized.
    • Meta page View_it!_Tool for sign up and updates (or beta testing)
    • a) is there some kind of plug-in architecture for adding other WIkibase sites than WIkicommons? I have seen Andrew Liih looking into using config files to have an architecture that is more easy expandable and done by config files
      • Answer from Kevin: I wish I knew the answer. I can look into it.
    • b) how is this tool better than Commons search?
    • View It interface is more modern and cleaner, but Commons category gives more information at first glance.
    • Answer (cont.): Since structured data is still being developed, the search results will not be perfect. But incresing the visibility of the structured data will help editors see the purpose in editing structured data.
      • in chat, nana tymkiv writes: i tried it, and as an editor who now writes articles on art -- that exactly what i was looking for -- to get pictures to select from at less clicks (which for me usually means going to commons, then opening the gallery, and select pictures) and almost at one glance to see which ones i need to explore more, rather than look through all. so, yeah, i would want more info eventually, but right now it comfortably allows me to speed up my editing work
    • c) Joe Mabel: I have a few questions about how this tool could navigate the Commons category hierarchy, and how it might be made to produce *better* results than on Commons. (than on Commons search, that is)
      • Currently in Wikidata we do not use "depicts" for geographical locations. How do we reconcile this with the system in this tool?
    • Dominic: We have different ways of doing this in the tool's search system as compared to Wikidata.
      • Mabel: Top categories for locations are often non-finely classified junk. For example, searching for a particular city will give a range of pictures, many of which are not representative or identifiable as being part of the city. How will we ever properly sort these categories?
    • Dominic: Commons categories have a different purpose than depicts statements
      • Comment from Martin Poulter: Joe makes a good case for there being topics where the View It approach will be better than just following the link to the Commons category. Because of my work I have been looking at artists and maybe they are not good examples for this tool.
    • d) Mohammed Awal Alhassan: I think the tool is great but is it usable in small wikis such as dag.wikipedia.org? If it can be used, it really will be so exciting for our community
      • Answer from Kevin: @Mohammed, it should work, yes! As long as the article you are looking at is connected to Wikidata, you will see the View tab and any available images. Note the tool is currently just in English, but we plan to support multiple languages soon.
      • Jamie Flood: it does work on dag.wikipedia.org - if you follow the universal installation steps, it'll work across all platforms. We are looking into how to ensure the button label is multilingual - e.g. changes depending on which language version you are on. Currently it'll just say "View" across all platforms
    • e) is the source code available for https://view-it.toolforge.org/ I can see the same functionality can be used for other structured data searches
      • Kevin: Right now it's all client-side (viewing the source of the page will get you the code) but we will also host it on GitLab soon
    • Rachel: How can this tool be a model for browsing other kinds of content in Wikidata?
      • A: potential for this and good idea but not explored
    • Richard: One application that I want is all images from a given event. Users frequently upload photo sets from a single event but Wikimedia Commons does not have those photos categorized as a collection. When can we sort such images together?

Kevin: Doing this may require AI analysis. We have not done anything like that for this project, and only are taking Structured Data on Commons as it is.

    • Ceslause: I am an organizer for Wiki Loves Africa. We have challenges giving users access to photo contributions in this upload campaign. How can this tool support any of the photo campaigns?

Dominic: It is a good idea and something that we want but the tool is not developed to do this at this time. Anyone who has feature requests or bugs can file them in Phabricator.

    • Question: Is it possible to include fair use images uploaded to other wikis?
      • Dominic: The Structured Data on Commons database only applies to images in Wikimedia Commons. Since images uploaded as fair use on other wikis are not in Commons, they do not have structured data, and their data is not in the dataset that we use to run this tool. Because of this, those images are not included. We have not thought of including them.
    • Comment from Mary: it could be interested to view sets of images for tools and techniques and types of work in WikiProject Craft, e.g. "Ikat weaving" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Craft
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