Wikivoyage/Lounge/Archive/2013-11

Wishlist: Enhance inter-project links

It is very easy to add more items for the "Related Sites" list in the sidebar (see Wikivoyage/Wishlist#Miscellany). The extension must not be changed! Only the settings (see Wikimedia Settings).

1. Check if the item is noted at the Interwiki special page.
2. Modify the $wmgExtraLanguageNames and $wmgRelatedSitesPrefixes.

Below I make a proposal. We should discuss it, make a small voting to get support by the community and send a bugzilla request like bugzilla:51794

The first addition is to give a language name to the abbreviation like 'de' => 'German'. This is formally but the sidebar items are handled like language specifiers.

'wmgExtraLanguageNames' => array(
	'default' => array(),
	'wikivoyage' => array(
		'wikipedia' => 'Wikipedia', // already set
		'WikiPedia' => 'Wikipedia', // already set
		'citizendium' => 'Citizendium', // already set
		'dmoz' => 'Open Directory', // already set
		'Radreise-Wiki' => 'Radreise-Wiki', // already set
		'rezepte' => 'Rezepte-Wiki', // already set
		'commons' => 'Wikimedia Commons', // already set
		'meta' => 'Meta-Wiki',
		'metawikipedia' => 'Meta-Wiki',
		'wikibooks' => 'Wikibooks',
		'wikidata' => 'Wikidata',
		'wikinews' => 'Wikinews',
		'wikiquote' => 'Wikiquote',
		'wikisource' => 'Wikisource',
		'wikispecies' => 'Wikispecies',
		'wikiversity' => 'Wikiversity',
		'wiktionary' => 'Wiktionary',
	),
),

The second list defines which "languages" should be placed in a separate list, the Related Sites list:

'wmgRelatedSitesPrefixes' => array(
	'default' => array(),
	'wikivoyage' => array(
		'wikipedia', // already set
		'dmoz', // already set
		'citizendium', // already set
		'commons', // already set
		'Radreise-Wiki',
		'rezepte',
		'meta',
		'metawikipedia',
		'wikibooks',
		'wikidata',
		'wikinews',
		'wikiquote',
		'wikisource',
		'wikispecies',
		'wikiversity',
		'wiktionary',
	),
),

So let's start discussing. --RolandUnger (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, we have to see what will happen with Wikidata integration, since interwiki project links may be handled through there instead. --Rschen7754 08:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

@Rschen7754 : The enhancement proposed has nothing to do with Wikidata. It is a special feature only available on Wikivoyage to show interproject links like interwiki links in the sidebar. Up to now only wikipedia, commons, dmoz, and citizendium links could be shown. As we demonstrated at WV/de source of these links could be entries from Wikidata. --RolandUnger (talk) 10:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

We never had an occasion to link to Wikiversity or Wikispecies, but I think that these links will not hurt. Good proposal. Let's try to implement it! --Alexander (talk) 10:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

But the question is, now that Wikidata contains links to Wikipedia and Commons, and soon other projects, why should the extension not use that information? --Rschen7754 21:35, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't see an actual proposal here. What sites are you recommending be added, Roland? LtPowers (talk) 15:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

The sites to be added have no comment "already set". --RolandUnger (talk) 15:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Is Wikidata considered as present with "Data item" in the sidebar? I do think Wikipedia and Commons covers most of the WMF links, but I noticed the different setup at Italian Wikivoyage, plus the additional note at en.voy's roadmap. It should help with the phrasebooks at least. -- torty3 (talk) 13:20, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know, Wikidata is currently being used to link just to Wikivoyage in other languages. It does not yet check for commons: or dmoz: links, nor does it look for other WMF projects in the local language (WP, Wikinews...). Our current method of linking to siblings is mw:extension:RelatedSites which is kludgy - both for the hard-coding of target site names in the server config file and for the issue of "Wikipedia" appearing as a language in WV (bugzilla:55355). It is possible that some future version of Wikidata will supplant RelatedSites, but in the meantime I disagree with the "enhancement" label on RelatedSites bugs. RelatedSites is an ugly kludge which deserves to be labelled as a bug. I have no objection to linking the other WMF projects but at some point we do need to determine if Wikidata will replace the extension and, if it does not, fix RelatedSites. Using the list of languages for a list of other projects is ugly. K7L (talk) 16:29, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Apparently there's a Wikidata bugzilla:54374 request to put interproject links in the sidebar. No idea on the status though. Thanks for the effort Roland. -- torty3 (talk) 11:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Inter-Wikivoyage front-page features

Hi, everyone. I know I haven't participated much here, because I unfortunately forget these forums exist, but I'll try to rectify that. Anyway, I'm not sure how many of those of you who don't participate at voy:en or voy:de know about the cross-wiki front-page feature of voy:en:Travemünde/voy:de:Travemünde, which will take place during the month of June, 2014. I'm wondering whether there are particular articles other Wikivoyages might want to propose for a joint feature. Any places you would you like to promote to the English-language readership, voy:it, voy:fr, voy:ru, et al.? I should add that I personally can do some work in French and Italian, though my level for the purposes of writing and editing travel articles is just middling. Quand je suis en practique, mon francais c'est pas mal./Quando sono in prattica, il mio italiano non c'e male. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:15, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the "cross-wiki front-page" that "will take place during the month of June, 2014". Can you give me/us more details? --Andyrom75 (talk) 11:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Andyrom, Travemünde is planned to be a featured front page article on both en and ge at the same time. --Danapit (talk) 12:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

dmoz property on wikidata

The dmoz property is the d:Property:P998 on wikidata. Is there a bot to collect the information on the wikivoyage article to introduce them on wikidata? --Adehertogh (talk) 08:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

@Adehertogh: Sorry for the late reply! I think there is one: d:Wikidata:Bot_requests#Dmoz (permalink). PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

One potential problem with moving the DMOZ links to Wikidata: DMOZ has a separate section for non-English links. We'd want each WV to link to the DMOZ section in the same language, not the English-language section of DMOZ. No idea if there's any way around this issue. K7L (talk) 20:27, 28 November 2013 (UTC)