Wikivoyage/Lounge/Archive/2017-10

New terms on community engagement

WMF is currenly trying to redefine the terms of community engagement (which in the pas was operates as Global North vs Global South). The proposal has been open for community discussion: Community Engagement/Defining Emerging Communities. The currently version states directly that WMF will not proactively invest in Wikivoyage due to low impact. More explanations, confirming that this is indeed the case and not an error of interpretation are at the talk page (Talk:Community Engagement/Defining Emerging Communities#Wikivoyage). Whereas it does not come as a surprise - we know that after initial help with migration, which was already not very welcoming (I sometimes felt like WMF people consider us as their hired workforce), the investment in Wikivoyage was zero, and whatever we needed we had to do ourselves (and whatever we did not manage to do ourselves still has not been done), and in this sense I welcome the decision of WMF to state it explicitly. Just writing protests at the talk page is in my experience useless - the decision has been taken, and all we can get would be "we are sorry that you feel this was, but this is our decision". However, I think that we as Wikivoyage community should be aware of this discussion, of the WMF position in general, and possibly discuss whether we are going to react. In any case, now it is clear that coordinating the development effort between different versions (possibly excluding English Wikivoyage, who do not care about other language versions) would be beneficial.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:06, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

•  Support your proposal for interlanguage coordination between Wikivoyages. In the case of Spanish Wikivoyage, there are not any editor with knowledge of coding, and due to that we are not by ourselves able to write or develop any tool or extension to improve technically Wikivoyage. But the very few dedicated editors there will be willing to do everything within our reach to collaborate with this project. It's sad and a pity that Wikivoyage will not receive any active support. --Zerabat (discusión) 22:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
• Even though I am an enthusiastic Wikivoyage editor in several languages, I can understand that WMF considers Wikivoyage as less important than Wikipedia/Wiktionary. I am glad that they host our Wiki free of charge/ads, and maintain (security bugs etc) the software that runs it. Wikivoyage-specific technical improvement will still be possible via community development and GSoC/etc. I totally agree with you that inter-languages collaboration is important, and I am a living proof that some members of the English Wikivoyage care about other languages :-) Syced (talk) 08:39, 5 October 2017 (UTC)