Wikivoyage/Summit/Archive/2013-11

ru

The calendar shows November 10, but still no reports from the last month. My assessment of Wikivoyage as an international collaboration is bleaker than ever, and nevertheless I would write something. First, some new features:

Russian Wikivoyage implemented the footer template that combines article status, article type, IsIn feature, and automatically reads links to Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons from Wikidata. The appearance of the articles did not change at all, but this template helps us to tidy up things and to reduce the number of templates at the bottom of the page. Voll has put large effort into finding orphane articles without status, bringing all articles to the standard format, and putting them into different (hidden) categories. Great! Once again, many thanks to Voll for doing this tedious but very important work!
We have also amended our pagebanner template and enabled banners from Wikidata. UNESCO symbol can be read there as well, which makes the "unesco=yes" key largely redundant. Starting from the last month, we try to add all banners (except for generic images) to Wikidata, so they appear in other language versions automatically. Of course, it would be great if people from other languages do the same thing, and we can share more banners between different projects.

Now, open problems that concern all language versions:

The default image size has been repeatedly discussed in English Wikivoyage. As far as I understand, we have no way of changing the default size on the server, which means that each image should be appended with an image width in pixels or with the upright parameter. It is going to be tricky, because we also have vertical (portait) images that should be different from the standard horizontal (landscape) images. Anyway, we do not plan to wait for the outcome of the English discussion, which is not going to lead to any result in any foreseeable future, but we will appreciate ideas on how to make this change automatically.
An even more general problem is our management of listings. Couple of months ago Stefan has started an RfC on Wikidata, but nobody seems to be interested in this topic. We are a small community and unlikely to push this forward. Nevertheless, the first action from our side is probably the connection to existing Wikidata items for those listings that have articles in Wikipedia. I am not even sure that the transfer of all listings to Wikidata is doable (we have hundreds thousands, and there is no relation between same listings in different languages), but this addition of Wikidata numbers to the listing template is our first, small step toward a closer integration between different language versions and different Wikimedia projects. As usual, we are not waiting for any consensus across all languages, but your opinions are highly welcome.

I like the idea to link the listings to existing wikidata. It could be usefull, the propeties as official website or link to wikipédia which already exist could be used. --Adehertogh (talk) 07:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A side question concerning the listings is the reference to different listings from other parts of the text. Imagine we have a list of attractions numbered from 1 to 30, and I want to link to attraction No. 5 in the introduction, because it is the oldest or the most important attraction in this city. I can probably make a hyperlink, but I would also like to display the colored box showing the map number. Does anyone know how to do this?

--Alexander (talk) 10:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alexander, there needs to be someone really familiar with both Wikidata and Wikivoyage to make good recommendations. Personally I think it is the way forward, but Wikidata is not actually ready enough. That's a good idea to add the Wikidata items. I haven't had the time nor the mood to work on bugs or language versions for the listing editor though.

Can the template Poi be used without overriding the numbers in the listing template?

You may also like to hear that voy:en:Sochi 2014 and voy:en:Sochi has been updated by a new user. -- torty3 (talk) 11:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response! Yes, I know this user. He has made an even larger contribution to Russian articles about Sochi, but there are still many things to be written.

Regarding the Poi template, I can, of course, use it, but my question was about a fully automatic numbering. Otherwise, it won't be robust. However, this seems to be impossible at the time being. --Alexander (talk) 17:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I like the Footer template idea in fact I've introduced it around the beginning of the year (see Quickfooter that I've described in the previous months). I think we should link them through Wikidata.

I like as well the UNESCO tag on the banner. This is missing on it:voy and maybe in the future I'll implement it. It's much less invasive that the UNESCO infobox used in it:w.

Default thumb size is 250px, if a wiki want to change it, a request should be submitted through bugzilla. I strongly suggest to avoid this change because it force to check the whole site. However, each community (as usual) it's free to do whatever the community wants :-)

Listing through wikidata: it's a great idea ... but honestly I have no clear idea about the implementation. It's a complex subject that should be followed by a dedicated team. Unfortunately I have no time to follow it, on the other hand I hope that someone would have time for it, because it could be a good tentative to mitigate the spam that voy naturally attact. --Andyrom75 (talk) 08:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fr

This month the french wikivoyage concercrated on cleaning and on new contents. The special uncategoried page is now emptz and 1 destination is a star article (Gaspésie) and the second began the nomination process (Ath).
After discussion in the local pub we desided that excluding a few exeptions all external links should be formated by the listings templates or for the general website in the infobox. No wikipédia in text link should be accepted, only in listings. The help page has been modified in that way.
We still have problems with the statistics page, and it'getting worse. I plan the write a report on bugzila, if you have such problems in your language version too, let me know.

So not much for this moonth but I repeat, we worked mainly on contents...--Adehertogh (talk) 06:59, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we seem to have a completely wrong file counter on ru:, but other counters are more or less fine, although perhaps not updated in a really swift manner. --Alexander (talk) 20:11, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

en

Over on the English Wikivoyage, we continue to improve our content and steer the project through consensus and discussion.

We've been looking at a new Main Page design (yes, another one) to replace the current banner-based front page.

The matter of including places of worship in guides has also been up for discussion and has created a lively debate within the project.

A 'Maintenance Panel' has been created for clean-up and monitoring purposes.

We're still searching for ways to improve the project's search rankings and have discussed several potential remedies.

The topic of unwanted edits has also reappeared and led to a discussion on the powers of admins and how they should be exercised.

Social Media

The number of Twitter followers continues to grow and now stands at a heady 318.

Sorry this is so short! Please feel free to add anything I've missed! --Nick ^talk 23:24, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All I was gonna put was: "The wiki was on fire". Other Wikivoyages may want to examine their policies towards illegal/immoral (sex/drugs) activities, should the spotlight come again. -- torty3 (talk) 11:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes... wasn't really sure how to reference that! --Nick ^talk 12:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Summit is about communication, so let's be explicit. Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-30/News_and_notes