Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Brazilian Sign Language
Brazilian Sign Language Wikipedia
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This language has been verified as eligible. The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval and will verify the test project content with a reliable neutral source, such as a professor or expert. If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval.A committee member provided the following comment: Please contribute to the test project on Incubator. For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 14:09, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
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- The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
- The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
- The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
| What | Value | Example / Explanation |
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| Language code | bzs (SIL, Glottolog) | A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ... |
| Language name | Brazilian Sign | Language name in English |
| Language name | Brazilian Sign Language | Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ... |
| Language Wikidata item | Q3436689 - item has currently the following values:
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Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed. |
| Directionality | no indication | Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)? |
| Links | SignWriting in Brazil | Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents. |
| Site URL | bzs.wikipedia.org | langcode.wikiproject.org |
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| Project name | "Wikipedia" in your language | |
| Project namespace | usually the same as the project name | |
| Project talk namespace | "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace) | |
| Enable uploads | no | Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons. |
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| Project logo | This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation). | |
| Default project timezone | America/Brazil | "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones) |
| Additional namespaces | For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk". | |
| Additional settings | Anything else that should be set | |
Proposal
editBrazilian Sign Language has 3 million native signers and an extensive education system for the deaf. SignWriting is used throughout Brazil and continues to expand. I propose we create a Wikipedia for Brazilian Sign Language using SignWriting.
Adam Frost is currently in Brazil teaching a classroom of 40 students. He will be teaching about sign language Wikipedias, the MediaWiki software, and the Wikimedia organization. We have the test project started on Incubator (BZS). This training is happening in one school out of 20 schools that are interested in a Wikipedia for Brazilian Sign Language in SignWriting. -Slevinski (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Discussion
editArguments in favour
edit- Support Brazilian Sign language has over 20 times the number of native signers compared to ASL. I predict that the Brazilian Sign Language Wikipedias will soon surpass the ASL Wikipedia in size and quality. -Slevinski (talk) 21:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support According to en:List of sign languages by number of native signers, it is one of the most used sign languages, used by millions of people, so I don't see why it shouldn't be eligible. - Nikki (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- Support Brazilian Sign Language is a language distinct from spoken Portuguese and it has its own writing system with a sufficient number of signers. TerranBoy (talk) 06:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Arguments against
editNo Wikipedias in sign languages please. Sign languages are designed to be signed and are ill-suited to be written down. Moreover, you can't make databases in it and you can't make wiki links. Imo, a much better idea would be to translate existing Portuguese Wikipedia articles into BSL and upload a video to the article. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 11:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Steinbach: Maybe we can print these sign languages' scripts on plastic papers, with a 3D printer? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Steinbach: Of course you can make wikilinks in sign language. Take a look at any of the articles on the ASL test Wikipedia. --Yair rand (talk) 15:29, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well, the only links that actually work link to off-test-wiki pages. And the problem of creating databases still stands: articles have to get English names. And apart from all that, it seems to be incredibly cumbersome to create and it takes a while to load. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 16:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Steinbach: The links work to other pages on the test wiki. The pages on the ASL Wikipedia have ASL names. Much of the load time is because the page is currently using an annoying hack because support isn't directly built into Mediawiki yet. That can be fixed. --Yair rand (talk) 00:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- I see a link in the article text here, seems to work for me. - Nikki (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- Well, the only links that actually work link to off-test-wiki pages. And the problem of creating databases still stands: articles have to get English names. And apart from all that, it seems to be incredibly cumbersome to create and it takes a while to load. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 16:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Spoken languages were designed to be spoken, not written down. People came up with ways to write them down anyway. For some languages, that happened a long time ago, for others it was more recent. Videos are not a replacement for articles which can be collaboratively edited and easily updated. If people want to record sign language versions of articles, they are welcome to do that (regardless of whether this request is approved or not, they're not mutually exclusive). - Nikki (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the thoughtful and accurate response. I completely agree. -Slevinski (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not a written language. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 13:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose People who are deaf to not need to see hands on a screen, they speak Portuguese. If they speak another language and know Brazilian Sign Language, they can go on to a Wikipedia that is made for that language! Wheatley2 (talk) 8:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)