Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Dobrujan Tatar

submitted	verification	final decision

	Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. *Votes will be ignored* when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy). The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved. Check that the project does not already exist (see list). Obtain an ISO 639 code Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki. Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language. This proposal is on hold: There is no ISO code at the moment, but the language appears** to be real, living, and unique, and the request creator says that there is an attempt to create an ISO code. So let's wait until that process is completed. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amire80 (talk) 2024-10-20 (UTC)

The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:

What	Value	Example / Explanation

Proposal
Language code	crh-ro (SIL, Glottolog)	A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name	Dobrujan Tatar	Language name in English
Language name	Tatarşa	Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item	Q12811566 - item has currently the following values: English label: Dobrujan Tatar native label (P1705): Tatarşa instance of (P31)/subclass of (P279): language, modern language / Kipchak–Nogai Wikimedia language code (P424): writing system (P282): Latin script number of speakers, writers, or signers (P1098): 70,000	Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality	LTR	Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links	Tatar Tílí Tílsîzgasî Şurasî	Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL	crh-ro.wikipedia.org	langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name	Wikipediya	"Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace	Wikipediya	usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace	Şaykana	"Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads	yes	Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin"). Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo	File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-djt.svg	This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone	Europe/Bucharest	"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces		For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings		Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Proposal

There are around 50.000 to 70.000 speakers of this language. It's spoken by the Tatars in Dobruja. Please see also the article about en:Dobrujan Tatar in Wikipedia. A request for a separate language code was send to SIL. Zolgoyo (talk) 17:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comments

Comment. In Miraheze there is a possibility to create wiki in Dobrujan Tatar. This may be a solution, since Wikipedia without ISO code will not be approved. --Danvintius Bookix (talk) 13:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments in favour

Support Zolgoyo (talk) 22:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against

Oppose Per LPP, The language must ordinarily have a valid ISO 639 1–3 code. If there is no valid ISO 639 code, you must try to obtain one. The Wikimedia Foundation does not seek to develop new linguistic entities; there must be an extensive body of works in that language. The information that distinguishes this language from another must ordinarily be sufficient to convince standards organizations to create an ISO 639 code. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:03, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Dobrujan is a dialect of Crimean Tatar diaspora in Romania, not a language.--Fenikals (talk) 10:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fenikals Hi, the Tatar spoken in Romania is not directly or only Crimean Tatar. It also has other Kipchak dialects such as Nogai. These dialects are also seen as one language because they are very similar. That is why it is problematic to write in this language in the Crimean Tatar Wikipedia. Here is a grammar book of the Tatar language in Romania from the University of Bucharest. Zolgoyo (talk) 11:14, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zolgoyo I recently contacted SIL again, and there's their response:

“

Hello, as far as I've checked, there's only 6 submitted change requests in the last year, I don't know whether your friend is indeed submitted a request including something regarding "Dobrujan Tatar", but as far as I've checked, there's no e-mail in the last year we've got about requesting this. As explained again and again to every inquiries, only few requests are indeed submitted in 2023, and even for such "few requests", they were hold up for processing due to revision of ISO 639 main standard then. Maybe you can ask your friend to re-submit it by filling our new Google Form? URL: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeMh0ThLA64kxccJG9QXSXa2Q1-I2EPZ_gnXD7ptOuPIbfBCg/viewform

”

Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liuxinyu970226 I did contact with Janell Nordmoe from SIL last year for language code, even I did send a Swadesh list. Now I did write to them and asked about it. The answer was:

“

I have your request and will be in contact soon regarding its review. Thank you for bearing with us as it has been an extraordinary year.

”

Zolgoyo (talk) 17:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zolgoyo Now SIL published some 2024 requests at same [1], but still, I can't find anything about "Dobrujan Tatar", did you really contact the real staff? Or simply, are you really sure you submitted a request? It still looks like you're lying, as these requests are about "Kamantan, Newari, Noakhailla, Digor, Mpuono and Shaetlan". Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Liuxinyu970226, please be patient. I did contact to the same person I did mentioned above, the answer was „This one is in the group currently being processed by me before consideration by the review panel“. Zolgoyo (talk) 13:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]