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submitted verification final decision

Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.

    This proposal is on hold:

    On hold, awating further comments from the proposer. --MF-W 17:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code pzh (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Pazeh Language name in English
Language name Pazeh Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q36435 - item has currently the following values: Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality LTR Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL pzh.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name Wikipedia "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Asia/Taipei "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Proposal

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Discussion

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Having both Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Pazeh and Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Pazeh at the same time, especially for an extinct language, seems unreasonable. It's very questionable whether the language can support one project, much less two.--Prosfilaes (talk) 11:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Prosfilaes: This isn't an extinct language anymore, its Language Type had been changed from extinct to living ten years ago. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia calls it "extinct", and says "The last remaining native speaker of Pazeh proper, Pan Jin-yu,[4] died in 2010 at the age of 96.[1] Before her death, she offered Pazeh classes to about 200 regular students in Puli and a small number of students in Miaoli and Taichung.[5]" Counting it as living doesn't change my fundamental point; it has a couple hundred speakers, and probably fewer than a dozen near-fluent speakers; I doubt one project will escape the Incubator, which makes proposing two at once unreasonable.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Prosfilaes: Please consider reading [1], by a 2015 survey by Taiwanese government, 4 humans are identified as L1 speakers of Pazeh, though, I don't know why Miss Tsai Ying-Wen don't accept to identify the Pazehs as an ethnic group. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:53, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't ping me; I follow discussions just fine, and that was hardly anything needing my personal attention.--Prosfilaes (talk) 10:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Vickylin77amis: I think that this is what you should answer. --223.104.7.104 22:34, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Is Pazeh being revived? Paul Jen-kuei Li 李壬癸 had written a sizeable dictionary of Pazeh that remains the main source of Pazeh materials. Of course, there are few modern technological terms in the dictionary, since the dictionary was based on data from a single elderly speaker who is not here anymore. Before we start, the Pazeh community should try to see if localisation can be successfully implemented, since many new terms will need to be coined. Sabon Harshe (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Pazeh is also not SaiSiyat, which has a very successful Wikipedia edition currently running. Sabon Harshe (talk) 17:20, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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