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The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.

    This proposal is on hold:

    At the moment (November 6, 2024), there are two open requests: Rajasthani Wikipedia (raj) and Hadauti (or Hadothi) Wikipedia (hoj). Accordint to ISO 639 3, raj is a macro-language code, and hoj is a part of this macro-language. The two requests don't clarify if those languages are distinct. In addition, there is little activity in the Incubators in both of them. The Language committee puts both on hold until there is activity in the Incubator and a clarification on whether this should be one standard language or several varieties. Both are possible according to the Language Proposal Policy, but a decision must be made in line with the actual usage of the language, especially in writing, and currently, the Language committee does not have enough information to make such a decision. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amire80 (talk) 2024-11-04 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code raj (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Rajasthani Language name in English
Language name राजस्थानी Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q13196 - item has currently the following values:
 Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality LTR Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL raj.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
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Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Proposal

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I want to make it clear that Rajasthani is not a dialect, it is an independent language with its own dialects and all of its dialects are unfairly considered as dialect of Hindi to show that (Hindi) language is a strongest one

It is not on to the people who don't want to understand to say it is a dialect. Indian government never want to understand or accept the fact that a language with its own 2500 year old literature is a dialect of newly born 100 year old Hindi, it is a kind of joke Indian system is making.

They are also giving excuses about not having its own script. As everyone aware languages like Marathi, Maithili and many other gave up their own script to adopt Devanagari which same thing Rajasthani did as well.

To be fair if you look in census of 1941, you will see that a dialect spoken in Kashmir called "Gujari" was considered as a dialect of Rajasthani and later under Indian govt control it was treated as Hindi and then further later as an urdu.

Just few years ago Konkani was considered as a dialect of Marathi and now it is an independent language

Please accept views of independent international linguistics who clearly believe that Rajasthani is one of the strongest, largest and purest of of language. Indian system and india's government funded linguistics will make decision in favour of Indian government to make Hindi language strong by killing languages like Rajasthani. 50 - 80 million (2001) population in rajasthan speaks this language. Experts feel that the more dialects a language has, the richer it is. If this true, Rajasthani is richer than all the languages mentioned above as it has 73 dialects! Yet it has not been included in the eighth schedule of the constitution. It has many dictionaries and grammar books and has more than three lakh words. Hence it is definitely a full-fledged language.

So please to aware and to climb the stairs of giving rajasthani language a official status please introduce a rajasthani language wikipedia.

It is unfair with people of Rajasthan whose language and culture is been targeted by its own government to vanish it from Earth Rajashthani Standard is the common lingua franca of Rajashthani people. It is spoken by 18 million people (2001).[9] Some of the Rajasthani speakers conflates with Hindi speakers in the census. If including the major dialects such as Dhundhari, Harauti, Mewati, Ahirwati, Jaipuri and other speakers included in the Hindi in census, the total estimated speakers of Rajasthani language will be around 30 - 35 million people. Most of the Rajasthani dialects are chiefly spoken in the state of Rajasthan but are also spoken in Gujarat, Haryana and Punjab. Rajasthani is spoken in the Bahawalpur and Multan sectors of the Pakistani provinces of Punjab and Tharparkar district of Sindh. It merges with Riasti and Saraiki in Bahawalpur and Multan areas, respectively. It comes in contact with Sindhi from Dera Rahim Yar Khan through Sukkur and Ummerkot. Many linguists (particularly Gusain, 2000b and Shackle, 1976) agree that it shares many phonological (implosives), morphological (future tense marker and negation) and syntactic features with Riasti and Saraiki. However, further inquiry is needed. A distribution of the geographical area can be found in 'Linguistic Survey of India' by George A. Grierson. In the past, the language spoken in Rajasthan was regarded as a dialect of western Hindi (Kellogg, 1873). George Abraham Grierson (1908) was the first scholar who gave the designation 'Rajasthani' to the language, which was earlier known through its dialects. Today, however, Sahitya Akademi, National Academy of Letters and University Grants Commission recognise it as a distinct language. It is taught as such in the Universities of Jodhpur and Udaipur. The Board of Secondary Education, Rajasthan included Rajasthani in the course of studies and it has been an optional subject since 1973. Since 1947, several movements[which?] have been campaigning in Rajasthan for its recognition, but it is still considered a 'dialect' of Hindi.[by whom?] Recently,[when?] the Rajasthan Government has recognised it as a state language, but there is still a long way for the language to go towards national status.[original research?] It still lacks a comprehensive reference grammar and contemporary dictionary based on a thorough linguistic survey of Rajasthan.[citation needed] Currently an extensive descriptive grammar of Rajasthani is being recorded. --— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vedpriyaa (talk) 07:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

--Please Approval this wiki .there is many contributors in this language . I want to create this wiki and I fully support in making this wiki very high level.(VSR07 (talk) 09:25, 24 June 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Discussion

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To the best of my knowledge, Rajasthani is also a macrolanguage, which includes Bagri (bgq), Gade Lohar (gda), Gujari (gju, which also has a test project), Hadothi (hoj), Malvi (mup) and Wagdi (wbr). So maybe consider moving your effects of request to one of those except gju? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:24, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Vedpriyaa and HindWIKI: ^^ --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:27, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need some further information here, and then I need to discuss with LangCom. There is a decent amount of content in the test here, and there has been at least some sporadic contributions to it over time. The Gujari "test" is just two pages. Question is whether the content here is in "Standard Rajasthani", and whether that is the best way to go here. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:16, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Satdeep Gill: What's your consideration here? I think if you don't leave a comment here, then every other members of langcom can reject this one. --223.104.7.104 23:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Probably in this situation, the Wp/raj project pages should consider moving to another member language code. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liuxinyu970226 I realize this is a complex problem. I think given that Rajasthani is a recognized language in Rajasthan state of India, we should mark that as eligible. Also, Gujari seems to be written primarily in the Perso-Arabic script and was recognized in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, which is not directly adjacent to Rajasthan. So it seems to have differed dramatically from Rajasthani in many ways while historically might be more connected. So, we should mark Gujari eligible as well. - Satdeep Gill (talk) 16:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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