Talk:Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2023

Translation of landing page

Hello dear translators @Bamboofirdaus, Tofeiku, Kamingáwan, DraconicDark, Sj1mor, BrightSunMan, Carotisque, Srđan, Märt Põder, Laura Fiorucci, Cosmophilus, Camelia.boban, VargaA, Norwaystudent, Malikxan, Carla Francisco, Juan90264, Klaul, Lišiak, Jouluntähti, Sabelöga, Numberguy6, Felix220, MR973, Taravyvan Adijene, Bjankuloski06, Nurtenge, Gross2killer, اقبال کا شاہین, Tofeiku, JogiAsad, Tajamul9, Wallflowernepal, আফতাবুজ্জামান, Mulkh Singh, Jayanthkumar123, Jacebrent1, B20180, Kintrbr, Jonathan5566, and Ffffrr:! We really appreciated your contribution last year in translation of information about our contest. We really hope that this year, you also might find time to translate our landing page and template in your respective languages. Thank you very much! ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 09:04, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello! How do I translate some of the remaining texts, such as the main text (The one that starts with "Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2023"; The one in the colorful background; I do not know how to explain it)? The translation tool does not allow me to translate it yet. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrightSunMan (talk) 13:30, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@BrightSunMan: Try this link. – Srđan (talk) 13:36, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Found it! Thanks! BrightSunMan (talk) 13:43, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Another thing: If I click on one of the section headers (in orange) in the template, they link to the English version again. This might be frustrating. BrightSunMan (talk) 13:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@BrightSunMan Hi! Please check language in your settings. It well may be English by default, so thats why it links back to it rather then French version. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 14:11, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

WikWhat?

So, this is a project announced on WikiMedia, but when looking at the details, for some reason it's limited to WikiPedia only? Is there a reason you don't want WikTionary to cover anything Український? Maybe you're promoting a movement in Україна to switch to Latin letters, and so would rather not see Ukrayina mentioned in its own official spelling? Or Ukrayintsi really hate WikTionary, and would rather not be mentioned there? Or ...? Aliter (talk) 11:22, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Aliter! Traditionally, Ukrainian Cultural Diplomacy Month is focusing on Wikipedias as they hold the most information about culture of the nations. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 19:20, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

eligibility of articles

As you are aware, there is an ongoing contest of Feminism and Folklore 2023 from Feb to Mar'23. I am actively participating in it. Kindly clarify that if I translate Ukrainian art and folklore articles in my language am I eligible to submit the same to both the contest? பிரயாணி (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @பிரயாணி! Yes, it is possible to submit the same articles here but only if they fit scope of our contest ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 13:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Include Tamil Language

Hello dears, Please include Tamil language in the list of Articles page. பிரயாணி (talk) 15:22, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @பிரயாணி! Unfortunately we are using external module to show list of articles with fixed languages. I recomment using PetScan and/or Lacmus for easier interwiiki inquiries. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 11:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Culture and people of Ukraine

I have some problems with the scope and idea of this contest. Let's have a look at an example of your list: Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2023/List: In what way is en:Osman Aqçoqraqlı a part of the "culture and people of Ukraine"? He never was an Ukrainian, not even in terms of territory, let alone in terms of language, nationality, and so on. He was a Crimean Tatar. This leads me to the question whether it is a good idea to do a state-supported contest (which applies for all states, to be understood). It certainly makes sense to write articles about artists or writers from different cultures in the region (and there is a lot of interesting subjects to be discovered). However, many of them were Poles, Russians, Hungarians, even Austrians, according to their own self-identification. I'm not happy with the idea to put them under this title. The interesting thing is that many cultures met (often on friendly, sometimes on unfriendly terms) in Kyiv, Lviv, or Kharkiv. One could mention Ilya Ehrenburg who was born in Kyiv and lived (and survived) there in 1919 but certainly was not an Ukrainian, or Franz Xaver Wolfgang Mozart i.e. Mozart son, who spent a great part of his life in Lviv, mainly in contact with the Polish gentry. Mautpreller (talk) 10:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Mautpreller! I understand your concerns and thoughts as identification of people being a part of one or another nation indeed spark disscussions. We are aware of this and explicitly try not to claim that this is contest is about "Ukrainians" but rather "people of Ukraine". Ukraine is multicultural country and we welcome contribution of everyone who is connected to our country. Osman Aqçoqraqlı can be prime example for that: Crimen Tatar, who shortly was teaching in Kharkiv and Kyiv, knew Ukrainian language and was acquainted with prominent Ukrainian artists/public figuers of that time. I guess that counts as being connected to a certain country. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 13:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Sounds fine but I'm not fully convinced. I'm suspicious because state actors are partners in this contest who obviously could have political intentions. We had the problem in Germany where parliament projects led to attempts of political influence on article contents. But let's wait and see what will happen in the Wikipedias in the course of this contest.Mautpreller (talk) 11:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Of course there'll be a political bias whenever a state actor, especially one like a Ministry of Foreign Affairs, is involved in content decisions. That's why I participate following my own list of articles (it's just a draft), following my preferred criteria. MarioGom (talk) 12:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I would add that such public supporting Ukraine is a kind of doubtful thing itself for almost all articles in the Wiki (in russian at least) are distinctly pro-ukranian already and prefer Western sources only. And facts are universally rejected by 'local community' if they come from the 'the wrong side'. This is why it would be far more wise and useful to announce a Month for Russian Cultural Diplomacy, let alone Ukrainian is one of the cultures in Russian multicultural folk, so paying attention at peoples' unity and friendship obviously will contribute to ending the conflict and establishing peace more than painting and sticking out the virtues of one party only will do, the party already become a western-wide victim. Леонардо Кобеш (talk) 09:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

About the changes in the scorign system

Is there any reason for why "adding images" and "adding new sources" where removed from the scoring system? Why not keeping it like the last year? Personally I feel like "adding new images" was a cool scoring metric since this are important for an article and even if you add a lot of them it won't make it to the 1000 bytes mark. I'm sure you guys had a good reason, I'm just curious to know why. Take care and stay safe :) Joacom14 (talk) 03:22, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Joacom14! We have recieved feedback from participants that scoring system was somewhat confusing. Also, while checking contributions, I realized that many participants misunderstood several points in the rules which required recalculation of the points (in many cases I added them). "Adding images" was removed, because, frankly, only handful of participants actually used it and it did not influence final score by much. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Yuri Nikitin (author)

I was wondering if this man is the same person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Nikitin_(author), Because in Arabic section this person n.o 7 said (b.1967) but in Wikipedia English said (b.1939). Thanks In Advance. John.GGVV (talk) 01:58, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @John.GGVV! No, those are two different persons ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 07:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Too many events in one month?

This is just a suggestion: holding Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month in the same period as Women's History Month is, I think, too busy. Wikimedia communities around the world hold various women-related events in March, and some Wikipedians are busy organising them (February is Black History Month, and some of us are also busy organising related events). The crowded schedule may prevent Wikipedians from participating in Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month. Considering moving Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month to a less busy period would be better next year. --さえぼー (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @さえぼー! We indeed acknowledge that is busy month which is now ideal for us. Unfortunately due to several organisational factors we could not move dates but we will consider this for the future. However, it is possible to combine contribution in several contests by writing on the topics that are in the scope of both campaigns. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 09:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Why is there a Ukraine Cultural Diplomacy Month? It seems like a niche topic. 125.238.119.75 10:49, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

3500-byte minimum

According to the rules, a newly created article must be at least 3500 bytes long. So, in my opinion, if you create an article which is below 3500 bytes, you shouldn't be able to get any points for it. However, a lot of people "award" points to themselves for the creation of such small articles. Some even got all their points for literally choosing an article from the suggested list, copying the data from the English infobox, writing 2 sentences about its name and location, and claiming their 14 points. The aim of this contest is to create at least middle-quality articles that people can read, not copying some stuff and "writing" an article in 5 minutes. So, can you get points for newly created articles below 3500 bytes? Molnár Gábor Dávid (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Molnár Gábor Dávid! As you rightfully pointed out, articles should be above 3500 bytes to get points. I will check all claims and articles after the contest ends ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 09:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Bonus points for translated articles

As for me, there is another aspect of your scoring system that looks a bit puzzling: it is the idea that the translated article must get 2 additional points. This approach implies either that translated (from Ukrainian, by default) article must be better than the original article created in another language or that translating an article is more sophisticated work than just writing it. I doubt if this is true. Let me provide you with an example. This is what the uk.wiki article about film producer Volodymyr Yatsenko (from your list of suggested articles) looked like in uk.wiki before the beginning of Ukraine Cultural Diplomacy Month. This is the article in ru.wiki about this person, I wrote it on my own because our wiki has different demands about what and how must be sourced in the article. Up to the moment 3 more articles have been created about this person: in en.wiki, az.wiki and ha.wiki. Their authors had the choice: they could translate original version from uk.wiki or my version from ru.wiki; all of them opted for my version. Personally I have no problem with the fact that these three authors would get 2 points more for translating my article than me for writing it; however, you would probably agree with me that this result of the current scoring system looks a bit paradoxical. З повагою, Andrei Romanenko (talk) (a.k.a. Dmitry Kuzmin) Andrei Romanenko (talk) 00:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Андрей Романенко! Let me clarify you the rules. This clause of +2 points for translation was made to encourage editors to write about topics that are already represented in some language rather then creating articles on new, less notable topics. However, it does not mean that you can get this points only by translating word by word the original article. It says in the rules that you have this bonus points for just "new translation", so you can also add them to your claim, your article totaly qualifies for this. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 09:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, I think Andrei Romanenko actually makes a very good point here. Translating is the laziest possible method for writing an article. In my home wiki (Dutch), blindly translating articles from other languages is absolutely not encouraged, and translating articles without even checking the sources is considered a deadly sin. That does not necessarily make translating a bad thing, but without the necessary translation skills and at least a basic knowledge about the subject it rarely gives good results — not to mention the risk of multiplying wrong information. Even though I am a professional translator myself, I would never even touch an article about mathematics, biology or mechanics for that very reason. I'm not saying translating should be discouraged, but awarding additional points for it is really not a good thing in my opinion. If I may give a suggestion for next year: just make it a requirement that the subject is already represented in the Ukrainian and/or English Wikipedia. That makes it easy to verify and should cover the notability issue just fine. Слава Україні! IJzeren Jan (talk) 19:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Results

Hello there, I want to ask about the results of this challenge since it is April 3rd now and there is no information about final score. Քրմապետ (talk) 18:38, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Քրմապետ! Thanks for participation! Right now I am checking all claims for articles and after some time we will anounce final results ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 11:24, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Real name use

Hello everyone! I recently asked ValentynNefedov (WMUA) about if our real names would only be used on the certificates of participation. I should've asked the question here, but you can check out the answer on this talk page: User_talk:ValentynNefedov_(WMUA)#Question_about_certificates_for_UCDM FunnyMath (talk) 05:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Results

Dear participants! I have published individual results of the campaign. Please note that points may vary from what was written in the claims. Points, in most cases, were reduced, due to miscalcualtions or not enough bytes being added. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 08:39, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, ValentynNefedov (WMUA), and congratulations to all participants for the great effort! Lilcho72 (talk) 05:07, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Certificates

Hello Organisers, Any update on Certificates? Snehrashmi (talk) 03:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, we received certificates. Snehrashmi (talk) 02:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I have not received them yet. Pangalau (talk) 02:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello! I have not yet a certificate. Меридианец (talk) 16:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

@Snehrashmi, Pangalau, and Меридианец:, sorry for delay. Please check your e-mail, your certificates have been sent. ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk) 16:55, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I already received certificate on 2nd June 2023 and replied above regarding it. Hope other mentioned users have also received it. Thank you for ping us to check the e-mail. Snehrashmi (talk) 17:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Received, thank you! Pangalau (talk) 00:44, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Received. Меридианец (talk) 13:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I filled out the form but haven't received the certificate yet. --Sp1dey ^💬 11:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hallo! I haven't yet received the certificate. LanaJones97 (talk) 17:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)