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Hi, please reacquaint yourself with the translation extension. Use <tvar|>...</>|... instead of <tvar|>...|</>..., the latter only makes thing messier than it should be. cc @DBarthel (WMF), Mehman (WMF), and Qgil-WMF:, kindly check before marking pages for translation. Thanks. --Minorax^talk 11:47, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

user:Minorax, got it, thnx!85.238.102.83 19:25, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the concern!

Saw that you asked about my coming off the panel session tomorrow. It’s an interesting story. I’ll be attending, and am actually relieved that I was taken off the list of panelists. I did talk with Jackie about it and I am ok. Thank you very much for the concern, and for all the work you have been and are doing to help with all this crazy stuff! DrMel (talk) 06:57, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

user:DrMel, Just saw your message :) You're welcome ) Your activity was quite essential last session (I'm almost sure that was you) as one as your desire to bring in something new, that's why I was so concerned when your name was deleted from panelists list. Hope nothing will mess up your plans today and you will still join panel that will take place in less then 2 hours from now at least to speak while second panel part open mic session will going on ) P.S. Ah, I'm sure everyone is equally valuable here to make the stuff most crazy, convenient and pleasant for others and yourself ^)85.238.102.83 16:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Did you attend? I was happy to be an attendee without being a panelist. I’m optimistic that we’re on the right track. If you are up for a convo off wiki, I’d be delighted to connect - I’m on most platforms as @DrMelGanus or email me at dr.mel.ganus @ gmail.com DrMel (talk) 20:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

user:DrMel, yep, I was ) That's good to have no pressure while such events as panelists have. Thanks, I'll be in touch )85.238.102.83 10:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Капіталізація

Українській мові не властива капіталізація загальних слів. Те, що «так в оригіналі», не означає, що так має бути українською. Англомовці пишуть з великої літери кожне слово в заголовках новин, але ми ж так не робимо. Це не має ніякого відношення до значущості. Ата ^(talk) 07:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Ата! I'll agree with you about "capitalization [in the \article/any other's\ subject name] does not matters...and irrelevant to [\article/any other's\ subject's] importance" in Ukrainian, as you claim above, when articles like:

• uk:Житловий комплекс «Taryan Towers»
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Фреско Софія»
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Поділ Престиж»
• uk:Житловий комплекс «PecherSKY Luxury Apartments»
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Arowana Dragon»
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Арк Палас № 1»
• uk:Комфорт Таун / uk:Житловий комплекс «Комфорт Таун»
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Монте-Плаза»
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Jack House») / uk:Jack House
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Дніпровські Башти»
• uk:Новопечерські Липки
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Saga City Space»
• uk:Житловий комплекс «Фреско Софія»
• uk:Закон України «Про засади державної мовної політики»
• uk:Закон України «Про освіту» (2017)
• uk:Закон України «Про Голодомор 1932—1933 років в Україні» / uk:Закон про Голодомор
• etc.

will be renamed initially (main article name) to first letter capitalized and all other letters in the article name lowered as one as all mentioning of such articles pages over the whole en:Ukrainian Wikipedia.

Till then please don't try to assure me that "[Letter] capitaliation in Ukrainian language does not matters and irrelevant to [subject] imrpotance" with your only plain words without providing any evidence that proves that, but vice versa (there's evidences that disprove your words), that "in ukrainian language, because even Ukrainian Wikipedia tells us at welcome page: "Ласкаво просимо до Вікіпедії," which means capitalization matters in Ukrainian language for exactly each word of any phrase written as like as for the most of wordwide languages.

And, by the way, please, do not use undo function abusive way as you massively done here.85.238.102.83 13:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Please do not confuse proper nouns in the names of buildings with the capitalisation of only the first word in the names of documents (just as in «Про засади державної мовної політики» example that you mentioned and other Ukrainian laws). And by the way, please, don't use manual revert abusively as, I assume, you did here. Ата ^(talk) 17:09, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

) Dear Ата

1. Did I missed something when you initially told "не властива капіталізація загальних слів" (emphasizing exactly on general/common words where capitalization does not matters for Ukrainian language)? Doesn't "Башти", "Dragon", "Про", "Голодомор", "House", "Apartments", "Престиж", "Luxury", "Липки", "City", "Space", "Плаза" (mostly a second words in the "proper words in names of buildings" by your definition) exactly a common words as exact examples to disprove your words but prove capitalization matters in Ukrainian?
2. Doesn't Universal Code of Conduct exactly a proper name of (not a building but of a document as one as, for example, "Закон України «Про Голодомор", and not less important as same valued, with only difference - not for only country but for international Movement) document and that way it's name have to be similar way "letter-capitalized" as "Закон України "Про..." as one as (not equally but obviously NOT less important then) "PecherSKY Luxury Apartments"?
3. Your assumption about [I] "use manual revert abusively" (even don't know how is it posible if that's always a manually-made actions) is not right, as my actions you showed above is a "Manual revert"-tagged (and meaning exactly the same) edits is not edit warring at all as done exactly MANUALLY in more then half an hour time period, changed not whole your edits (example can be see here between your edit where you made some context valuable edits and my next edit, where I changed [back to as it being in created by me initial page revision] only the capitalization of letters in UoCC name but not reverting whole your edit) and with appropriate coomment explaining my current and further edits instead of yours exactly "Undo"-tagged above mentioned multi-page edits made in 3 minutes without any comments provided, which means you reverted exactly whole my edits without even analyzing a page contents itself changed by such ones, so please do not shift a responsibility for starting an edit warring (that massive undos you done first undoing I posted above about exactly is) from yourself to me;
4. You exactly have to read what is Neutral point of view because you obviously do not understand what is it. Please, do not hesitate, read it carefully,- to stop current, on my POV, unneded discussion that only will lead to further conflict if you will (and somewhy still) not understand basics of WMF projects.
5. Your actions (first starting an edit warring, then trying to rearrange your own responsibility for that to me) are not right and no way constructive at all. In fact it's already borders to Trolling ("trolling is an accusation leveled at anyone with whom the accuser disagrees"). Please refrain from such actions and claims/accusations (at least addressed to me) as I never did anything of you accused me here in. In the same time what you did using your user rights abusive way I told about exactly took place and have no any doubt.

So then, if you want to continue talk about letter-capitalization in Ukrainian I'll glad to hear from you back. If you still going to only trolling me about edit warring etc., please stop right now.85.238.102.83 10:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Capitalization #2

Hi, 85.238.102.83. Truly, please don't fight with that minor issue of capitalization in the name of the document. It looks like a very important policy, and if you look at Ukrainian versions of en:Universal Declaration of Human Rights or en:Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities you'll see no capitalization. Please let us deliver to our users the best possible text for implementation. I tried to improve the Ukrainian translation of the main text 3 or more times and can more or less guarantee its consistency. Thank you for your consideration, Mykola Swarnyk (talk) 21:39, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear User:Mykola Swarnyk!

1. I don't know what you mean under 'let us'/'our users'/etc. as 'us' who? Doesn't that a community and everyone is just a part of it and here's no anyone chosen ones?
2. How appropriate (as one either @original text and @Ukrainian Wikipedia - you can see examples above) word letters capitalization affect and interfere 'your users' from 'receiving' a text you want to 'deliver'? Does appropriate letter capitalization changes the text meaning? Or 'your users' are frighten of BIG letters?

'fight' is not a right word to descript my translation behaviour including original document-like letter capitalization requirement. You can read below about why is it.

1. Examples you provided is just an EN-wiki (someindividual wiki) articles - no more no less. Here's a meta-wiki that has much more importance then any of separate wikipedias as it's wide used with everyone (all wikipedias at once) to draw the knowledge so then 'freestyle' that changes (even partly or original document name words capitalization) original text is not a way to be used here [except when while translation some ambiguation exists].
   • I don't know what did you mean providing examples from English Wikipedia but, trying to 'read your mind' I guess you meant it's words capitalization to compare there and @UK-wiki. So when I see here I really see low letters in the article name, BUT if you will look to the @the bottom of the same page you will see such CAPITALIZED (not only at beginning) names as "Міжнародна Федерація з прав людини", "Унітарсько-Універсальська Служба Комітету", "Громади квакерів при Організації Об'єднаних Націй і Американський Комітет друзів на службі", "Американська Бібліотечна Асоціація", which means CAPITALIZATION MATTERS in Ukrainian, and that's the subject of current topic I have no doubt in.
   • As of uk:Конвенція про права осіб з інвалідністю - if you (and, as you claim if I got your idea right, whole en:Ukrainian Wikipedia) do not respect people with disabilities and lower the letters at main rights declaration for such people - that's your PROBLEM (because contempt towards ANY people is not welcomed by any WMF-project) and have not to affect global policies naming.
2. When you (and... a whole UK-wiki?) low-capitalize some important documents names, claiming "that's doesn't much important" - that's not the case to change the Universal Code of Conduct global document letter capitalization because of only 'your needs' (...of it's deimportance?) - peoples, who openly contempt disability peoples by lowering all the letters at the such important document as such peoples wide-world global declaration article naming same time as names of (some still not builded) buildings as uk:Житловий комплекс «Комфорт Таун» or uk:Житловий комплекс «Taryan Towers» you still capitalize.

So then I will continue to claim Universal Code of Conduct have to be translated to Ukrainian exactly as "Універсальний Кодекс Поведінки" (original document name letter-capitalized), until I will see any corresponding changes at Uk:Wikipedia article's naming (as one as buildings/organizations naming decapitalization in the UK-wiki articles' text) globally (and not only when you decapitalize disability people's global declaration's name, but do not do the same for name of article about some still unbuilded building).

Have a nice day! Will be happy to see when uk:Конвенція про права осіб з інвалідністю will be appropriately [to it's importance] letter-capitalized and uk:Новопечерські Липки - vice-versa'ed.85.238.102.83 19:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

P.S. I see you first decapitalized again the translated UCoC name everywhere and only after doing it you started current topic that's not look like you "discussing", but looks exactly as you are just trying to command me what to do that is not good argument while searching the consensus, you know.

As if yours claim you "can more or less guarantee its consistency":

1. I never tried to revert your (or anyone's else) translations at whole (as some uk-wiki originated users done with mine) so don't see a problem here;
2. I don't believe you as you already (I guess) obviously machinery-tralslated that text, that is not look like right-way translated nor by form (syntax) nor by value (meaning), as "Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee" is NOT a "Другої фази прописування Універсального кодексу поведінки" any way. So please don't take it personally when I will correct some of your editions [including CAPITALIZATION of UCoC name translation from "універсальний кодекс поведінки" to exactly "Універсальний Кодекс Поведінки" (in all cases) as one as it letter-capitalized at original text], that will change not only "the form" but also "the meaning" exactly to the right way85.238.102.83 19:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, edits made by User:85.238.103.51 in the UCoC translation on May 3rd, are contradicting the Ukrainian Orthography Code (particularly §55 of it) and should be reverted. Unblocking only will encourage edit wars. Mykola Swarnyk (talk) 15:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC) Copied from special:diff/21420012/21422535 to fulfill the same topic discussion consistency.85.238.103.51 12:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear Mykola Swarnyk! You are already known for editing wars using "new spelling" as an argument with other contributors and, without any explanation of your actions by any policies, with exactly a blocked contributor commenting it as [translated] "I'll wait until you're blocked, then I'll clean everything up" until the right translation (that case - from Polish) was finally returned by such contributor, so you can hardly act as uninvolved [in the conflict] person with 'clear sight' towards current situation about right translation as one as about contributor's current block that's being contested (as you are the person who exactly "dreamed" about that).

In addition, [translated right way] "The spelling [code]" (or as you call it "Ukrainian Orthography Code") you provided is not valid, as the court found it illegal, what exactly told about here (including source link).

As it already told above - whole en:Ukrainian Wikipedia mostly name articles (documents/organizations/etc) way exactly I did with Universal Code of Conduct (CAPITALIZED as is it've done at original untranslated document) , so no any valid reason to DEcapitalize it as you, user:Ата and user:Base do does not exist.

What way current unregistered contributor's "blocking" connected to edit wars you, user:Ата and user:Base exactly started towards UCoC letter capitalization? There'd be much more logic to lock you three who don't hear "the voice of community" violating WMF-community policies and basic principles, to avoid such edit wars. and not blocking an unregistered contributor who never started such edit wars.

Finally, why do you write "Ukrainian Orthography Code" with all words first-letter-capitalized if same "§55 of it" tells to write it exactly as "Ukrainian orthography code" (first word first letter capitalized and all other words - first letter decapytalized) if your arguments "wows" about it's valid and you agreed with it's "rules" Ukrainian court admitted illegal? Or "two-way-standards" is your lifestyle? Please stop doing what you do, as it looks like you are just trolling an unregistered contributor, that is not appropriate behaviour at any of WMF-projects85.238.103.51 12:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

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