User talk:JSutherland (WMF)/Archives/2017

New version of Donor Privacy Policy

Hi! Please explain, why new version of Donor policy was not placed in Meta-wiki for translation by Wikimedia community volunteers? This text may be placed in the Donor Privacy Policy, instead soft-redirect to wmf-wiki. I am ready to perform the translation markup and import current translations from wmf-wiki.--Kaganer (talk)

Hello Kaganer - I'll raise this with the Legal department and ask them to get back to you to explain the situation. :) Joe Sutherland (WMF) (talk) 00:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! In my opinion, should be one way for publishing all global policies: source in the wmf-wiki, translations in the Meta-wiki. See also this topic. Maybe User:Jalexander-WMF also connect to this discusion? --Kaganer (talk) 20:45, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello again Kaganer - Legal thought about this and have decided to create a translatable copy on Meta-Wiki. It's now at Donor privacy policy. Thanks! Joe Sutherland (WMF) (talk) 09:13, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Good news! I've updated the translation markup to make this more comfortable for translators. Maybe also add "backlink" to translatable version, as in the wmf:Privacy policy? --Kaganer (talk) 12:56, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Small note about document design: "list-style-type: lower-alpha;" is not appropriate for non-latin scripting system (Cyrillic, Japan, Chineze etc.) Maybe you update your internal "writing style guide" for exclude these markup from potentially multilingual texts? --Kaganer (talk) 13:18, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Confirmation

Hi Joe, I have talk to @Tulsi Bhagat: about the Phabricator ticket. He confirmed me about the 2FA incident. Please proceed to resolve the Phab task. Thanks--Biplab Anand (Talk) 07:37, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Re:

Of course, Joe! Thanks for the project, its a nice idea. Best, --ProtoplasmaKid (WM-MX) (talk) 21:21, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

@ProtoplasmaKid: Thank you very much for your response :) There is a lot to do, but every little bit is helpful! Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 00:10, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Training modules: Can you help us with translation?

Dear Joe,

Of course. I will in my personal capacity translate it to Kannada and coordinate with other friends to translate it to other Indian languages.

Regards Lahariyaniyathi (talk) 02:45, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

@Lahariyaniyathi: Fantastic! There is a lot to do but every little bit will help. :) Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 00:11, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Translate overtagging

FYI [1] is not the recommended way to mark a page for translation. mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_administration#Markup_examples should help, let us know on the talk page if not. --Nemo 09:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the head's up Nemo, will adapt strategies going forward. :) Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok. :-) Nemo 13:44, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

There was a search and replace mistake in [2] I think: the triple bullets were broken and made into ** <translate>*. Nemo 13:44, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Ah, oops. Thanks for the catch. I will fix. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 00:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Re: Update from translation plugin

Can you clarify how/why you're making edits such as [3]? CentralNotice was supposed to "automatically" use the translations once approved by changing the workflow state in Special:Translate, per Help:CentralNotice/Translations. --Nemo 13:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Such edit is exactly what happens on workflow state change. --Base (talk) 14:46, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey Nemo_bis. Base is right, this is just what happens when the state is changed from "proofreading" (or something similar) to "published". Would it be useful if I enabled the flooder flag on this account before doing a lot of these? Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 00:14, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Request of removal related to the full-name and details of underage crimes

Hi, I just read a post in Chinese Wikipedia stating that the underage crimes stories should be removed to protect the underage people according to the local regulation "The Protection of Children and Youths Welfare and Rights Act" in Taiwan. There is a rape and murder case happened in Taiwan that the victim and murderer are both underage and their full name was in the edit history. According to Article 69 of that above act states that "... internet or other media will not report or record the names or information of the following children and youth...". However, the editor is wondering since Wikimedia projects are under California jurisdiction, is there any similar concept in the US to apply this removal? --Liang(WMTW) (talk) 04:40, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Shangkuanlc: I will raise this with the rest of the Support and Safety team when we head back to work on Monday. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 00:14, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@JSutherland (WMF): Just want to follow up with you. And also I want to provide some background info. The contributor who wrote this request in Chinese Wikipedia is a long term Wikipedian in Taiwan. So I think it's unrelated to the erasure right claim (we have no such concept in Taiwan's law either), but just to protect the underage. --Liang(WMTW) (talk) 23:43, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

مرحبا

مرحبا صديقي آنا دخلت صفحتك ولكن لم آفهم ماكتبته Abdlfatah (talk) 10:23, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Board of Trustees translation

Hello Joe, On the Dutch Wikipedia there was a discussion/complaint that the banner above Wikipedia about the Board of Trustees election contains wrong information. If you want to translate "Board of Trustees" to Dutch, this will be "Raad van Bestuur". A "Raad van Toezicht" is something completely different and wrong here. I tell you this here, as I fixed the Dutch translation and you added here again the wrong translation. I am sure WMF likes to have the banner text translated the right way. Thanks! Romaine (talk) 16:20, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Roamine, fix it in CNBanner namespace please. There is no telling from translation interface if there were any direct MW namespace changes to the message as far as I know, so it is no wonder the fixed message got overwritten when Joe changed translation status to published. --Base (talk) 16:23, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Romaine: These translations need to be edited in the translate extension itself or the system will just push what is in there regardless of the contents of the MediaWiki page. You can find that here. Thanks! Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 16:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the link where I should be able to find it, but there I see the right translation. Finding the history it seems I changed it, but I have no idea how that happened exactly. The goal is that the right translation is there, this is now the case in both in the CNBanner namespace and MediaWiki namespace.

I must indicate that the translate extension works terrible for some parts. Especially navigation and where certain pages belong to or how to fix errors in pages (which are only in non-editing modus), it works bad. This is a long standing issue, for many many years. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 16:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it seems that all is sorted now :) The translate extension does not like to make things easy ... Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Romansh translation CNBanner

Hi JSutherland, could you please tell me what THIS is supposed to mean? --Andreas (talk) 14:58, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Looks like a misclick. I have replaced it with the English default. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

CentralNotice is using Bokmål for Nynorsk messages

You had copied Bokmål messages to Nynorsk, but I have changed them. Users at Nynorsk are going to twist sideways,… :D I should probably ask the people there if they can spellcheck, just to be polite. Added a note at the Norwegian Nynorsk "Samfunnshuset"; w:nn:Wikipedia:Samfunnshuset#Banner om valet.

• CNBanner:Election2017 Board voting starts new-message/nn‎
• CNBanner:Election2017 Board voting starts new-message2/nn‎

I did correct the Bokmål messages, but a later edit changed them again. Not sure what would be right, I set them back. It is likely they will be changed again, so I'll just stay away… ;)

• CNBanner:Election2017 Board voting starts new-message/nb‎
• CNBanner:Election2017 Board voting starts new-message2/nb‎

Claiming there is Danish in the Norwegian Bokmål messages is like claiming there are American in the English messages. It is probably best to just stay away, I should have done so instead.

— Jeblad 21:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, I have published the changes. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Election banner

Hi. You seem to have something to do with the election banner and consequently I place my problem on your shoulders. The banner at present reads on Norwegian WP: «Avstemningen er begynt for valg til bestyrelsen i Wikimedia Styret! Avstemningen avsluttes 14. mai 2017 kl. 23:59 (UTC). Sjekk om du er kvalifisert og stem nå.» Unfortunately this is not Norwegian. It is a jumble of words in Danish and Norwegian, and grammar is sorely lacking. I have looked at the banner once to often and can't get used to it, but I have not been able to find out how to change the text. Are you able to change the translation to:
-- «2017-valget av medlemmer til Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees har begynt. Valget avsluttes 14. mai 2017 kl. 23:59 (UTC). Kontroller om du har stemmerett og stem her.» Regards and hopeful thanks.--ツ regards. Dyveldi ^{☯ prat} _{✉ post} 19:01, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Dyveldi: Did you mean the Nyorsk or the Bokmål? I think this might be a case of crossed wires (see Jeblad's comment below). Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I followed Jeblads links from Norwegian Bokmål. Never found the page myself. The banner is changed now (in Bokmål). Thanks a lot. --ツ regards. Dyveldi ^{☯ prat} _{✉ post} 04:40, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Had found the right place and translated the Bokmål version again, but I got reverted by Jeblad. I'm in no mood for an edit war with Jeblad. The Danish fortunately is gone now in the Bokmål text which is not as bad as it was and is now just awkward and wrong choice of words but probably understandable for most people. I wish we were warned beforehand at Bokmål WP before texts are published. This was published way before it was anywhere near an actual translation (Nynorsk and Bokmål both) and I assume that the advertising effect of "bad" language isn't quite what anybody wants. Thanks again for your support and you did succeed in getting rid of the Danish in the Nynorsk version although it was reintroduced by Jeblad someone have rewritten/retranslated it and now it is Nynorsk and seems to be left in peace. The Bokmål version may rest in peace and will be buried with May 14th so it won't last long. --ツ regards. Dyveldi ^{☯ prat} _{✉ post} 18:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

@Dyveldi: You're welcome. My intention is not to give people bad translations or anything like this. It is useful I believe to have at least an okay translation in Norwegian (so that those who do not speak English can at least understand it) than none at all. Note that I just moved the translation from last year (CNBanner:Election2015 Board voting starts-message/nb‎ and CNBanner:Election2015 Board voting starts-message2/nb‎) over to the new banner, so this same translation was visible in 2015 when the elections were last on. As for the argument over the language... I cannot help there :) I have not nearly enough knowledge of Norwegian to give any comments on this. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Of course . We all stick to the languages we know (well some of us). Being a native speaker is not always enough. What if we plan to make some changes the next time around, before the election is started? We do not have to repeat this again the next two years? Scary part that it seems nobody said anything i 2015. --ツ regards. Dyveldi ^{☯ prat} _{✉ post} 21:03, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

@Dyveldi: The text in the banner now (or rather at the end of the election on May 14) will be used again in coming years. It is possible we will have this same discussion again but there is no real way to make this process easier using the systems we currently have. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 21:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

A call for help against discrimination

Hello Joe Sutherland! I ask for your help! I am a participant of the Azerbaijan Wikipedia and I have been working in this Wikipedia for 5 years, creating a huge number of articles and most of them have the status of selected or good articles. But I am discriminated against. They insult me. They mock me in the most inhumane ways. And all because I'm a Christian, they discriminate against my religion and the worst thing is that they constantly campaign against my activities in the Azerbaijan Wikipedia. Because, I create articles on the rights of LGBT people. I want help from you, please give me a link where I can apply for this problem. I hope very much for your help. Keete 37 (Farid Aliev) (talk) 11:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Keete 37, just to say that we have received your emails and the Trust and Safety team will follow up there. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 19:34, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the response Joe Sutherland. I have a lot of materials and that the helpers were deeper informed, if I need to, I will individually send out screenshots and links by correspondence. With great respect to you - Keete 37 (Farid Aliev) (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Query

Hi Joe,

While doing some maintenance I've found that you've recently granted centralnotice admin rights to a group of WMF accounts... which are globally locked, so they can't even log in into their accounts. I'm not sure how to proceed here. If they're going to be unlocked then I'll keep their rights, if not, maybe you can take care of them :)

The accounts are BHouse (WMF), RDeLucio (WMF) and TGutowski (WMF).

Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Ooooops. That's my mistake. They're from Trilogy and will be working on banners for the English fundraiser. I'll unlock! Sorry :) Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Check

Hi Joe. Howdy? Can you please check/confirm if [4] is indeed a staff user? Thanks. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:35, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio: Yes, she is. :) Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 15:54, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I did [5]. Regards. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Marco! Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 18:06, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Completion of Fundamental of Training Module in Chinese

Hi there, Here is the first part. Sorry for the late completion, thanks to @Wolfch:, we translate this piece together :)

--Liang(WMTW) (talk) 08:51, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Liang :) This is so helpful! I hope that your translations can make these modules useful for zhwiki. (I'm sorry for not catching your previous ping :) ) Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 02:37, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Training Dashboard - Tracking possible?

Hi Joe, I am interested in creating a training module and want to first thank you for the good description. Further it would be great to have more information on possible exitpoints the users experience. Is there a possibilty to track how many users did a particular training and when they exited the training? Thanks in advance for your help! Best, --Stefan Schneider (WMDE) (talk) 12:01, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

@Stefan Schneider (WMDE): Thanks for the kind words! Your question is a good one, and one that we're also investigating. If you "log in" to the dashboard (which I believe uses oauth credentials from Wikimedia), it will track which modules have been completed locally. That is, I don't think it will currently allow this progress to be broadcast further than the user's own browser. We're thinking about ways to make this better, possibly through manual means (barnstars, userbox certificates, etc.) or something more sophisticated (a tracking bot, automatic posting of progress, etc.) Hopefully that makes sense! I am also going to also flag this conversation to Sage (Wiki Ed), as he's the fantastic coder behind this system and might already be thinking about this ;). Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Stefan Schneider (WMDE), Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation): the dashboard keeps track of when each module was started, the furthest slide reached, and when it was finished, for any logged-in user. That progress ought to be added to the user profile pages (eg, https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/users/Ragesoss ) at some point, but for now, it's only shown in the context of a course/program where some trainings have been assigned, so it's not that useful for P&E Dashboard. Tracking completion for logged out users, just for the sake of counting unique people who have completed a given module, would also be worthwhile to add at some point.--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Sage (Wiki Ed), Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation): Thanks four your prompt reply. So Start, progress and Training Module are tracked for every logged-in user. For https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/users/Ragesoss I can see only the duration, number of students and the role in different projects, but for example for my account there is no information tracked https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/users/Stefan%20Schneider%20(WMDE) but I completed the whole Wikipedia Training Modules. Do I or any logged-in user have to explicitly enable tracking to see the Start, progress of for example the Wikipedia Essentials?--Stefan Schneider (WMDE) (talk) 08:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't think you have to enable it... Sage (Wiki Ed) will be better positioned than I to answer these kinds of questions, sorry. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your support, Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation). I'll ask Sage.

Creating Training Modules

Hi Joe,

I am about to create a training module in German. I already created the JSON-files for the library and the modules. Also the slides are in place. I included my files in the lists here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Training_modules/dashboard

Now I tried to use this link to import my work into a module on the dashboard: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/reload_trainings?module=wikipedia-basiswissen. But it does not find my module. What do I need to do to make my work visible and work as a real training on the dashboard?

Thanks in advance for you help! --Stefan Schneider (WMDE) (talk) 13:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Stefan Schneider (WMDE): The name and description fields on the module JSON page were missing. After this it worked.--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Sage (Wiki Ed): You're the best! It's so awesome to have it work now. It was a lot of work till here and it's such a joy that it works! So, just to be concrete: You added the two fields in the modules JSON and then used the link, that I already tried - right? I'm asking because I will add another two modues now.--Stefan Schneider (WMDE) (talk) 09:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Feedback on Training Modules

Hi Joe,

in the last slide of the Editing Basics Training you use the feedback button to get feedback on the training. Is this a general Feedback for the Programs & Event Dashboard or a specific feedback on the training that the users just completed? The link seems to be quite general. It would be interesting, if a feedback to the specific training is possible and where it is routed. Thanks again for you help!--Stefan Schneider (WMDE) (talk) 10:32, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey Stefan Schneider (WMDE) - it looks like this page is actually a creation of Theklan, who might be better positioned to answer - that having been said, it looks like it's a link to a pretty general page. A place where feedback can be given on each slide individually sounds like a good idea to me, but we at SuSa don't currently have the bandwidth to investigate that. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 20:34, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Stefan Schneider (WMDE) and JSutherland (WMF). Is not my creation, I only copied the slides from the Dashboard so we could translate them. The feedback button was there, with a link as pointed. -Theklan (talk) 09:23, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) & Theklan for your prompt reply! I guess then I will just remove the general link to the feedback. At the moment we also do not have any resources to investigate more into that. So maybe I'll get back to you next year, if the trainings work for our campaign. --Stefan Schneider (WMDE) (talk) 09:28, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Email to Iberocoop members and thanks to team!

Hi Joe. I've sent an email to my colleagues at Iberocoop about the Support and Safety module training. I send the link them because we organize a lot of editathons, workshops and other event, and we have "some ideas" about safety (in Wikimedia Chile we have approved a Friendly Space Policy due previous problem with a person in some editathon). Thanks for sharing us the link and translate the module into Spanish -please, don't forget share the congratulations with your team-. Regards Superzerocool (talk) 13:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Fantastic, ¡gracias! :) I will make sure my team hears about it. Joe Sutherland (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 22:47, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Re: Support and Safety training modules

Hi Joe, unfortunately I have been away from Arabic projects for years. I have only been active on the Strategic Planning wiki, Outreach wiki, and recently on Meta doing translations. I think you may contact User:Izoozo, User:Moushira, User:Rami.Awad, User:Merik egy, or User:Shipmaster, to name a few. Do not hesitate to contact me if you require any information. Haytham^Abulela 14:23, 13 December 2017 (UTC)