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Extremely worrying: archive.org is unreliable?

@Eatcha: Storkk just closed c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dionne Slagter (OnneDi) geeft beftips - De Seksmobiel.webm. I had linked [1] there, the link indicates archive.org had captured the page on 14 August 2019. That capture has vanished and the oldest capture is now from December 12. — Alexis Jazz (ping me) 16:26, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Fæ: didn't you have contacts at Internet Archive? — Alexis Jazz (ping me) 00:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Alexis Jazz Most likely it's a lag generated because of too many archiving requests. In the worst-case hardware failure. I remember that I checked the archive link and it was Attribution 3.0 Unported licensed. And even if archive.org is not 100% reliable, it's more reliable than other archiving services. // Eatcha (talk) 02:14, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eatcha: How does lag generation work? I mean I could understand if something that was only just archived isn't consistently available due to cache stuff, but this was archived 8 months ago and it was available 4 months ago. And hardware failure I think shouldn't really happen as I would expect them to have some sort of redundancy. Though if a lot of hardware fails within a short time frame this could be the reason. I'm just hoping this isn't the result of a DMCA take down notice. — Alexis Jazz (ping me) 04:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: There was nothing on that archived page except the Creative Commons license that's not included in later archives. But it appears IA respects DMCAs which is actually better than expensive lawsuits : The Internet Archive is not interested in preserving or offering access to Web sites or other Internet documents of persons who do not want their materials in the collection. You can argue that the plaintiff wouldn't win the lawsuit, but IA doesn't have enough employees to look into every single DMCA carefully.
About the Lag: I'm not talking about replication lag here, there can be other types of lag depending on their database type/ architecture. IA is a non-profit and has old shitty servers. They can't even process more than 25 archiving requests per minute, verify it.
Why do you even care about commons anymore? It makes no sense to argue about DMCAs unless you are a lawyer in San Francisco (the location where IA's based) or at least in CA + have free time to spend on fighting lawsuits for free representing WMF. // Eatcha (talk) 05:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Even supposing that the Youtube video was originally freely licensed, that appears (by subsequent actions) to have been a clear mistake, subsequently and quickly corrected. As far as I am concerned, this should close the matter. Storkk (talk) 08:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Not a mistake, a video released today (DIY jezelf pijpen | Emma's Peepshow) is also Creative Commons. I suspect that YouTube disables the Creative Commons license when Content ID detects something or a party claims the video revenue manually, even if it's just a few seconds in a long video. Content ID is just an algorithm that doesn't understand context. But even manual claims can be downright idiotic. — Alexis Jazz (ping me) 20:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

For me, the video you just posted is listed with a CC-BY license on Youtube, which would seem to make a mistaken-then-corrected license choice on the other video more likely, not less, unless I misunderstand you. In any case, Commons, like other wikis, is a volunteer project that has an unimaginably huge amount of absolutely urgent stuff that all needs to be done immediately. As such, a fundamental principle is that people can work on what they consider to be their own priorities, and not work on areas they believe to not be a priority. I realize that my closure makes me kinda-sorta responsible for this file, but I'm not willing to spend more time investigating this at the expense of anything else. That said, if you want me to raise a c:COM:REFUND request, I'll do so... however the rationale would be to state that you asked me to raise it, and then linking to m:User talk:Storkk#Extremely_worrying:_archive.org_is_unreliable?, without editorializing further. Storkk (talk) 21:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration. It may be sensible to wait for Eatcha to become a license reviewer (which I hope will happen at some point?) so Eatcha could review the file. But what I hope to achieve is to make you see what is the most probable series of events that brought us here:

• Spuiten en Slikken uploads Dionne Slagter (OnneDi) geeft beftips | De Seksmobiel with a Creative Commons license on February 4, 2019.
• Hannolans imports the video to Commons on 13 March, 2019, still with a Creative Commons license.
• On 14 August, 2019 the YouTube video page is archived by archive.org, still with the Creative Commons license.
• Somewhere between that snapshot and 13 December, Content ID claims the video, resulting in automatic removal of the Creative Commons license.
• On 13 December, 2019 I mention the existence of the snapshot on archive.org and Eatcha confirms it.
• Somewhere between 13 December, 2019 and 24 April, 2020 the snapshot on archive.org was lost.

It's not that Spuiten en Slikken suddenly realized they wanted to reverse the Creative Commons license for this one video. This isn't just about this video, you'll probably encounter this again, this is just how Content ID works. — Alexis Jazz (ping me) 22:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

A priori vastly more likely than Archive.org randomly losing a specific version of a page that would be needed to verify a historic license, is that they were asked to remove it because it was incorrectly licensed. This will almost certainly be COM:PRP. Want me to ask for undeletion? This will be my last reply to this topic here. Storkk (talk) 07:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Call For Volunteer Facilitators Across Africa

The African Narrative

Dear Wikimedian,

The Africa Narrative is seeking volunteer facilitators in Egypt (two volunteers) and Senegal (two volunteers) for the AfroCreatives Wikiproject.

The AfroCreatives Wikiproject aims to support and mobilize creatives and professionals from the African creative sector, as well as enthusiasts more broadly, to contribute and enhance knowledge on Wikipedia about Africa’s creative economy. Its inaugural effort will target the film sectors of Egypt, Nigeria, Rwanda, and Senegal.

The Africa Narrative (TAN) is a non-profit that develops singular, high-impact initiatives in support of African creatives and the African cultural and creative industries with the aim to strengthen capacity in the continent’s creative economy and the global visibility of African cultural soft power.

All volunteers must have full professional proficiency in English. In Senegal, they must have native or full professional proficiency in French; in Egypt, they must have native or full professional proficiency in Arabic. Volunteer facilitators should have a vast knowledge about Wikimedia projects and experience with teaching new editors. All volunteers will be compensated.

Interested participants may sign up on the project's Meta page. You may also indicate your country and email if your Wikipedia account is not associated with any email address.

The Africa Narrative/Volunteers

We will be glad if you can share with or recommend an Egyptian or Senegalese Wikipedian as well.

Thank you.

Danidamiobi (talk) 22:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)