CentralNotice/Request/SheSaid 2023
SheSaid
edit- Afek91 (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log), primary contact (Requested at 08:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC))
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What countries will your campaign target?
Banner/Campaign Diet:
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What is the purpose of the campaign? How will you measure the success of the campaign?
editMetrics - We will measure the metrics by the number of articles created and improved on WikiQuopte for each participating language.
What banner(s) will you use? What will be your landing page?
editBanners -
SVG version:
PNG version:
font: open sans
Colourː #662D91
large text [line 1] : #shesaid
text [line 2]: Give her a voiceǃ
text [line 3]: Celebrating inspiring women one Wikiquote entry at a time.
logo:
text [line 1]: From Wiki Loves Womenǃ.
Landing Page - Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid/SheSaid 2023
Is this project grant funded? Please provide a link
editLink to grant -
Discussion
edit- @DerHexer: @Martin Urbanec: @Vermont: - It is just to let you know that the request is made and the visual elements are all loaded. Please let me know if there is any adjustments to suit the central notice process. Thanks. --Afek91 (talk) 09:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Afek91: It's still a while to go but some remarks which will help the CentralNotice administrators to process your request:
- Please add your campaign to the CentralNotice/Request page as instructed when you created the campaign. Otherwise CN admins could easily miss it.
- I'm not sure that the very wide banner version will work on mobile. Maybe you can also create shorter versions, too. Furthermore, on smaller devices we have to use reduced file sizes so that photos could look pixelated. Let's check that later.
- Not all CN admins (including myself) have the technical skills to create a white square where the logo would be embedded. Some texts in that part are not mentioned either. An HTML version of the banner provided by you would things much, much easier.
- Please don't use bit.ly. We have our own Wikimedia URL Shortener.
- Global campaigns can only run for participating communities, ideally with local ambassadors, translatable banners and landing pages (I see that work has started on this). Additionally, I cannot remember a campaign that lasted three months, that's very long! We will have to choose a very low impression diet.
- It seems to be a follow-up of a previous campaign. Can you add a link to the former request page? Thanks and best, —DerHexer (Talk) 12:33, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- DerHexer, seems probably easiest to make the gradient in css, make a three column element within it for the image overlay, first text block, and white-background second text block. No idea how that'll look on mobile, so maybe let's not do three. Or, we can do three, but have the white column only be the logo, with no additional text.
- If we were to do that...I don't think we have just the image of the people anywhere. Afek91, before I ask you to upload the background-less image of the people, can you clarify the copyright status of those photographs? The banner mockup is uploaded to Commons as own work, with no indication of derivatives; did you take all four of those? Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 12:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks @DerHexer and @Vermont
- The link for last year's request is here: CentralNotice/Request/SheSaid - a single colour as background would also be fine. We will provide the Wiki short link - thank you for your guidance. I will leave @Afek91 to answer the other design elements. Islahaddow (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Islahaddow, you don't need a short URL, just a landing page. People don't type in the url manually, they can just click on the banner. If you want statistics, the best we can do (I think) is send people to a redirect page, and presumably the only people who go to that redirect would be ones who clicked on the banner. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 19:50, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks @DerHexer , @Vermont and @Islahaddow.
- I added the request to the CentralNotice/Request and updated the banners on the request.
- @DerHexer for sure I did not take the photos, I mentionned the files used in the description of the banners on Commons. Afek91 (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Islahaddow, you don't need a short URL, just a landing page. People don't type in the url manually, they can just click on the banner. If you want statistics, the best we can do (I think) is send people to a redirect page, and presumably the only people who go to that redirect would be ones who clicked on the banner. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 19:50, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Vermont: Can you proceed with this request? Your technical skills could be of help here. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 16:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Possibly. I'm quite busy for the next 4 weeks, but afterwards I should be able to process this.
- Afek91, we can't do a 3-month campaign. Most are usually around 2 weeks, a month maximum. What 4 week time period works best for this campaign?
- Additionally, we can't do this in all languages. We can use the list of participating communities, provided the people organizing them locally can provide a translation. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 21:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- I would say, as the campaign starts on the 1st October, it would be better to start 2 weeks before and the 2 first weeks of the campaign. So from the 18th september to the 15th October. For the languages, I thought may be if we could reach new languages throught the central notice.
- Thank you Afek91 (talk) 10:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Afek91, I would recommend running it during the first 4 weeks of the campaign. We generally don't like to run banners for things that people cannot currently participate in. (with some exceptions, like sign-ups for limited capacity events, etc.) Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 17:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- Afek91, sorry, I forgot to follow up. Thoughts on the above? Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 15:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- It works for me. I just would like to ask if we could try new languages as one of our goals is targetting more languages to join the campain.
- Thanks Afek91 (talk) 15:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- Afek91, you can run it in more languages if a) the event is happening in those languages and b) you can get people to translate the banner text and event/landing page into those languages. The landing page is currently translated into nl, it, ko, and ja.
- My current thought is...two campaigns, one for Wikiquote and one for Wikipedia. Both 4 weeks, but a much smaller % and impression limit for Wikipedia than Wikiquote. October 1st to 29th.
- And...in terms of the banner, I don't think we can use the images of people on there. Not only will it look bad on mobile, but there's no way to provide sufficient attribution unless clicking the image will send readers to a place where that attribution info can be easily found. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 16:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. For the banner should we use the last year's one? For the languages, should I list here all of the participating languages? Afek91 (talk) 10:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Afek91, yes, please list all participating languages. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 13:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Arabic, Hausa, Italian, Gungbe, Swahili, French, Spanish, English, Ukranian, Catalan, Bengali, Bikol, German, Slovene and Tagalog. Afek91 (talk) 17:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Afek91, are you sure these languages are accurate? The landing page is fully translated only into Japanese and French. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 17:16, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- And I just realized you never added this campaign to the calendar, which is a step in requesting a campaign. In the future, please read the guidelines before making a request. These steps are outlined on the request page. As an example, your initial request asked for a 3-month long banner campaign on all languages on Wikipedia and Wikiquote targetting all types of users...which, as we noted, was entirely infeasible, and is far out of scope of the usage guidelines.
- And now, you've asked for the campaign to be run in 15 languages, only two of which are translated on your landing page. Those are not "participating languages", and I am not putting an English banner linking to an English page in front of thousands of people who do not speak English. This request, like your initial one, would not have been made if you had read the banner guidelines.
- I want to clarify something: we are volunteers. CentralNotice is run by volunteers. We do not have a translator team, we do not have funding, we do this in our free time to help people who want to present their events/drives/etc. through CN banners. Our one ask is that you follow the clearly-designated steps to make this process functional. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 17:40, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- Alright, an update: this request is on hold for now.
- I took a look at the requested landing page, and it seems to be a review of what SheSaid is, not information about how to get involved. There is a "Get Involved" button...however, the target page's opening paragraphs do not describe how to get involved as an individual, and is only available in English. Clicking on the "participating communities" links, those seem to link to local landing pages for SheSaid in general, which themselves link to this year's event on the project. In short: the requested landing page is 3-4 clicks away from actually finding information about how to get involved in the event, there is insufficient indication about which links to click to get to those pages, and they are not available in the languages requested. Optimally, a landing page would explain to the reader what the event is, how they can participate, and what happens when they do so.
- There are local landing pages a few clicks away from the main page on Meta for this year, however, those were not included in this request and I could only find 3. Afek91, please provide links to the landing pages on projects where there are local landing pages.
- I've cloned the 2022 banner to make shesaid_2023, campaign shesaid_2023_wq. Considering this is Wikiquote-only, I think it would be best to only run this on Wikiquote.
- Also, I'm not sure if I'll have the capacity to support this request further. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 18:55, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- Arabic, Hausa, Italian, Gungbe, Swahili, French, Spanish, English, Ukranian, Catalan, Bengali, Bikol, German, Slovene and Tagalog. Afek91 (talk) 17:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Afek91, yes, please list all participating languages. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 13:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. For the banner should we use the last year's one? For the languages, should I list here all of the participating languages? Afek91 (talk) 10:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Afek91, sorry, I forgot to follow up. Thoughts on the above? Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 15:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- Afek91, I would recommend running it during the first 4 weeks of the campaign. We generally don't like to run banners for things that people cannot currently participate in. (with some exceptions, like sign-ups for limited capacity events, etc.) Vermont (🐿️—🏳️🌈) 17:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Afek91: It's still a while to go but some remarks which will help the CentralNotice administrators to process your request:
Central Notice admin comments
editHi Afaq,
Per your request I've created the campaign along the lines we also had the campaign in 2022. On one side, I am very much aware that most of the translations by volunteers only come in when the banner is active. On the other hand, my colleagues are correct that targeting a community in their own language and thereafter only offering them the information in English is quite rude. We run into a similar issue with International Women's day every year. In line with that it really helps to not design the landing page as if it is a Wikipedia page: keep your information short and simple, with easy recognizable images (your team is good at that!) as to take them to their local wiki in their own language as quick as possible.
As an example: I find the intro from our current Celebrate Women page quite text heavy still, but the paragraphs underneath are very straight forward. It does not solve the issue for participants that don't have any knowledge of English, but hopefully their colleagues come to their rescue soon with the translations of the landing page.
Per @Vermont:s suggestion we now have two campaigns, that both direct to the original landing page suggested. One campaign for the Wikipedia's that shows up 6 conjecitive times per 28 days, on the other one for the Wikiquote has no diet set. Both target world wide, and the compromise lies in that for the Wikipedia's people will only see the banner every 4 weeks (in restricted languages), and for the Wikiquotes that people that are really already in the expected focus group for the campaign will see the banner untill they click to close.
Both projects will receive the same banner, which is the same as last year and the preview is here. Please let me know if it's okay so I can enable. Ciell (talk) 17:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. Yes It is okey, you can enable.
- Thank you all for your time. Afek91 (talk) 17:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, campaigns are now enabled. Ciell (talk) 17:35, 9 October 2023 (UTC)