Meta:Requests for translation adminship/Hedgehog the Great

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Hedgehog the Great

Hedgehog the Great (talk • contribs • deleted user contributions • logs • block log • abuse log • CentralAuth • stalktoy) Bureaucrats: user rights management.

Could you grand me, please, translation administrator rights? To be able to edit wiki projects, and do cross-translations.

I have experience of translating of english articles into ukrainian and vice versa. My recent contribution to the Meta-wiki pages can be find below:

With the best regards, Hedgehog the Great (talk) 17:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Do you even understand what you are requesting? Skill in translation has very little to do with translation admin rights. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 18:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery The ability to edit and translate articles, without other subsidiary problems.

"Skill in translation has very little to do with translation admin rights."

But what has much than?.. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 19:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently you don't. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 19:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
>> Do you even understand what you are requesting?

>> Apparently you don't.

@Pppery Marking weirdly or poorly translated text in pale red, and canсeling bad translanions, helping other users with translations. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 13:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are you hoping to do with the rights? Leaderboard (talk) 18:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To have ability to edit pages at other projects. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 19:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean on say MediaWiki (I.e outside thus project)? Leaderboard (talk) 19:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, form other project: Meitei_script. I'm about this one page: Meta:Translation_administrators/mni. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 20:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hedgehog the Great: But for that, just edit that other project? Translationadmin is normally used when you want to prepare a page on a certain wiki for translation, and used by us admins when we need to delete a page containing translations. Leaderboard (talk) 05:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I need VPN usage for editing and translating, and admin rights give the possibility to have exeption for user to work with other projects. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 07:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hedgehog the Great: This is still quite confusing - this sounds like something that requires wikipedia:WP:IPBE instead? Leaderboard (talk) 07:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 07:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hedgehog the Great: Then apply for that instead? Leaderboard (talk) 07:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I've applied a few times: [1], [2], [3], but my attempts were futile.

Details Hedgehog the Great (talk) 08:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leaderboard Such attempts ended with conversation on the page. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 08:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hedgehog the Great: "see your multiple declined VRT tickets" - I don't know what is in them (@Xaosflux may know more), but that isn't good. Regardless this is an obvious Oppose, because it isn't like you will be able to do what you are looking to do with the translationadmin right. There's probably a language barrier somewhere though. Leaderboard (talk) 08:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
>> "see your multiple declined VRT tickets" - I don't know what is in them

I don't know either, presumably: "the request for local IP-address".

>> "(@Xaosflux may know more), but that isn't good."

I don't think they know more, the user didn't reply the question:

" You haven't unswered the question. What the official reason for me to be blocked?" [4] (i.e. not been able to obtain IP exemption)

But that's surely isn't good. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 08:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Pppery. User clearly does not know what they're requesting. --SHB2000 (t • c) 22:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose TA ist not needed for the mentioned purpose. --Ameisenigel (talk) 08:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IP exemption and ability to edit and do translation on other projects in private mode, without sharing my credentials. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 08:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TA give a necessary rights fo such purpose. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 08:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose requester has no idea what they are asking for, discussion above somehow suggests requester thinks this would somehow give them an ipblock exemption that they have already been repeatedly denied; additionally - is blocked on their primary content project for disruption. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Xaosflux >> "ipblock exemption that they have already been repeatedly denied"

What are official reasoning of such multiple denies? Hedgehog the Great (talk) 09:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Xaosflux "additionally - is blocked on their primary content project for disruption"
For what kind of disruption?.. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 09:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You'd need to ask them for details, their block reasoning is available on your block log there. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Xaosflux Some administrators wisely blocked me in order not to have any controversy with me...

So, I need IP block exemption to apply for Arbitration court, at Ukrainian side, to be able to defend myself, this account, and my editions.
The first one block was applied by @Yakudza for, as I remember, trying to create and defend this article: Риття, but @RajatonRakkaus had it's own view on the subject. Block was applied for one day.

Another block was applied for my other edits, links to some of which can be found in the discussion, following link of blocking message (but that's in ukrainian). Block applied the third/fourth administrator, who seems didn't even want to involve in the porblem. The dialog in short can be expressed as: "We don't wan't read this, we just want to get rid of you. And we just want to block you."

And I was blocked for infinit time at https://uk.wikipedia.org/ . So where can send my appeal?.. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 15:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hedgehog the Great Try SRM Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 08:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per concerns raised above. --Stïnger （会話） 11:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Mr. @Stïnger, what prerequisits are expected for IP block exemption or for Translation Administrator?.. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per concerns above--Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 08:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done No valid reason for needing the tools was given and knowledge and understanding about how to prepare pages for translation not demonstrated. --MF-W 22:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

my valid reason: "To be able to edit wiki projects, and do cross-translations"

your valid reason: "knowledge and understanding about how to prepare (review and mark) pages for translation",
i.e. "To be able to read, verify, and mark weirdly or poorly translated text in pale red,[5] and canсeling bad translanions, helping other users with translations", USING! translation tool -- which is just an addon.

bad rule: No open proxies. This together with some aministrators pushes editors to disclose their personal information. (That's my private issue to disclose my private information or not.)

good rule: "We believe that you should not have to provide nonpublic Personal Information to participate in the free knowledge movement. You do not have to provide things like your real name, address, or date of birth to sign up for a standard account or contribute content to the Wikimedia Sites." [Privacy_policy#Introduction]

Definition of ""Personal information":

Information you provide us or information we collect that could be used to personally identify you. To be clear, while we do not necessarily collect all of the following types of information, we consider at least the following to be "personal information" if it is otherwise nonpublic and can be used to identify you:

(a) your real name, address, phone number, email address, password, identification number on government-issued ID, IP address, user-agent information, payment account number;

(b) when associated with one of the items in subsection (a), any sensitive data such as date of birth, gender, sexual orientation, racial or ethnic origins, marital or familial status, medical conditions or disabilities, political affiliation, and religion."

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>>"using pale a red colour, and canсeling bad translanions, helping other users with translations."

Hedgehog the Great (talk) 08:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]