Hedgehog the Great

Stop

Your repeated requests for the same thing, despite multiple declines, are disruptive. If you continue this disruptive behavior you may be blocked from further participation on this project. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

You haven't unswered the question.

What the official reason for me to be blocked?

(The need for my IP -- is bad reasoning.) Hedgehog the Great (talk) 16:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The only place you are blocked is uk.wikipedia (see Special:CentralAuth/Hedgehog_the_Great) and the only team that can do anything about that would be the administrators on that project. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Why some of the Ukrainian administrators can ban my account form editing other projects? Hedgehog the Great (talk) 13:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

You are confused. Your account is only blocked on one project. Some networks are blocked from contributing on all projects. Such network blocks are not managed by the uk.wiki administrators, and such network blocks are about the nature of the network and not about you. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@User:Xaosflux Why are we talking about UK wiki?...

>>"Such network blocks are not managed by the uk.wiki administrators"

• The requests was about Global IP block excempt, or about possibility to open IP range for one account.

Hedgehog the Great (talk) 11:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Despite being warned for disruptive behaviour, you still barged on with Meta:Requests for translation adminship/Hedgehog the Great even though it was evident you didn't know what TA is all about. Take this as a final warning; in the meantime, please, take a step back and take the time to reflect. --SHB2000 (t • c) 10:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

TA is about "mark pages for translation", and possibility to "delete the translated pages", and "help other users",

reviewing texts in search for better translation. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 12:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

But that's not an unswer for rejecting request for Global IP block excempt.

And disruptive behaviour -- sounds too much. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 12:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Meta admins don't get involved with GIPBE matters. We care about conduct on Meta-Wiki. --SHB2000 (t • c) 13:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@SHB2000 but GIPBE it can be granted by sewards.

GIPBE: "Users may request access to global-ipblock-exempt at Steward requests/Global permissions" Hedgehog the Great (talk) 13:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes indeed. But #c-Hedgehog_the_Great-20240901123000-SHB2000-20240901105600 was a reply to me and I'm not a steward to answer your request on GIPBE. SHB2000 (t • c) 13:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Please don't edit your translationadmin request page anymore - it's been declined already. You're a good translator, and I recommend continuing to translate on Meta-Wiki (and contribute elsewhere) and request the right when you actually think it would help in your work. I can sense that several members of the community have already lost patience with you and are ready to block for the next mistake you made, which wouldn't be nice. Leaderboard (talk) 08:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Leaderboard I had conversation with other user, And I haven't clarified few questions. I think I have right to clarify them with the last administrator, who closed request.

1. >>"(and contribute elsewhere) and request the right when you actually think it would help in your work." -- I applied for Global IP exemption, but my request was rejeced, with poor reasoning as for me.
2. About patience, see: Snowball policy.
3. I have a need for translation on Ukrainian wikipedia but burocracy don't let me to pass through, unless I will show my IP.

Hedgehog the Great (talk) 11:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

and thank you for compliment. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 11:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't exactly see how the snowball policy has any relevance to patience, but I digress. --SHB2000 (t • c) 04:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@SHB2000 Don't close long discusions too early, because you could miss something important, that could change the discourse or give a more meaningful comunication or result. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 07:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but it doesn't apply in your scenario. --SHB2000 (t • c) 09:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@SHB2000 Why do you think so, because the discussion was closed a bit too fast?.. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 10:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Because you applied for a perm that you didn't know what it was about. That's different from opening a request knowing what it means but it fails because it racks up too many oppose votes, which is what snowball closures are about. --SHB2000 (t • c) 10:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Snowball -- is about: "Don't close discussions early in favour; we don't like to do snowball closures on Meta-Wiki."

So, actually you are wrong. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 11:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Citing Meta:RfA#Other access: „Translation administrator: please read Meta translation administrator page and Meta’s page about translate extension. No fixed time limit for these requests is defined, and there are no particular requirements; if you provide a valid reason and demonstrate that you know and understand how to prepare pages for translation, your request will most likely be granted.

No defined time -> no snowball closure. By the way you didn't prepare a page for translation as required before requesting permissions per Meta:TA and you apparently misunderstood that translation admin comes with IP block exempt (it doesn't -> Special:ListGroupRights#translationadmin). Johannnes89 (talk) 12:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Translation administrator prerequisites

@Johannnes89

1. "Citing Meta:RfA#Other access: „Translation administrator: please read Meta translation administrator page and Meta’s page about translate extension. No fixed time limit for these requests is defined, and there are no particular requirements; if you provide a valid reason and demonstrate that you know and understand how to prepare pages for translation, your request will most likely be granted."
2. "you didn't prepare a page for translation as required before"

Hedgehog the Great (talk) 13:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Johannnes89

• First: Let's start from the second part: 2."you didn't prepare a page for translation as required before"

How could I prepare a page for translation if I don't have acces to the tools? Only TA can do that, or those who have appropriate privilages, for bad translation marking. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Johannnes89

• Second: The page Translate extension is pretty horrible and gives no real help, and need to be rewriten and improved.

The only probable help it gives are few links like this one https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate

• Third: According to the second link Translation_administrators it doesn't give clear prerequisites of how to receive TA status.

This page also should be improved. (i.e. there are too many links, and is not clear what to do) Hedgehog the Great (talk) 13:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The page Meta:Translate extension links to Meta:Internationalization guidelines (and mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example) which tell you precisely how to prepare a page for translation, offering many examples on how to deal with links, categories, templates etc. And if there are open questions, those pages also link to Meta:Babylon where you could have asked them before requesting permissions.

Perparing a page for translation is something any user can do with any page, you don't need TA permissions for that (otherwise Meta:TA couldn't ask for it as a requirement and otherwise TA would be way too busy). TA permissions are only used to "convert" a page which has been prepared already to a page that can actually be translated.

Regarding "the page doesn't give clear prerequisites" and has "too many links": Meta:TA literally says "Before you make a request for translation adminship, please practice the correct use of the translation syntax and include a sample edit to demonstrate your practical experience with the translation syntax in your request for translation adminship." Johannnes89 (talk) 13:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Johannnes89

• Thank you for reply.
• And this: "Before you make a request for translation adminship, please practice the correct use of the translation syntax and include a sample edit to demonstrate your practical experience with the translation syntax in your request for translation adminship." is also pretty unclear and should be more explicitly described and explained on the TA page.

Hedgehog the Great (talk) 14:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Banner translation #SheSaid

Please do not abuse your translation rights. I will request a block if you continue to do so. Ciell (talk) 06:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Non neutral politicaly inclined advertisement. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 10:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

If you have a problem with a CN banner, the right way to address is to contact the organizing team. It is not acceptable to change a banner translation to address your complaint. Ciell (talk) 11:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Please take Ciell's warning seriously. This is CentralNotice, where banners are vetted and can get displayed globally (it's sensitive enough that even us admins don't have access to that tool by default). To mislead people like this is irresponsible, and that's being generous. You're pretty close to a block, please be careful. Leaderboard (talk) 11:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@Leaderboard

1) generous, -- you mean global, general?

2) it's irresponsible to have such advertisements; and to give access to them

3) "Please take Ciell's warning seriously." yes, that's your second notification.

That's why you need a bot?... Hedgehog the Great (talk) 11:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

1. No. "generous" here means that I'm being kind in calling your action "irresponsible" - in other words I would use even harsher words normally.

2. You need to raise a complaint then at CentralNotice (or somewhere similar)

3. I only notified you once?

4. Not sure what a bot is supposed to reference here. Leaderboard (talk) 12:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@Leaderboard

• I'm talking about this one request: Requests for bot flags
• Thank you for reference at CN.

Hedgehog the Great (talk) 12:43, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

OK and so what? The bot request has nothing to do with this... Leaderboard (talk) 12:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi there

I am so convinced by the message on this talk page where you asked a highly respected user not to post "non-neutral political advertisement". And concerning the messages given by other users above, I want to tell you to cool down and learn from your mistakes. Reread the messages and understand from them. Try to benefit from the advices given to you and grow from them. As for your failed requests for translation admin, don't worry. I recommend asking a translation admin to become your mentor, and learn how to mark pages properly. And in a few months you will be ready. Another thing to say is that, if you are in doubt while translating to Ukrainian, just leave it, as opposed to rushing around translating as many messages as you can.

Answering to this, you should clearly know how to add translate tags, you should understand the usage of <tvar> tags and how it is used, and the links provided to you, you should read them and understand them by heart.

Please consider the most recent warning as a final one, as further disruption will result in a block, and it will be only yourself to blame. ToadetteEdit (talk) 14:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)