Module talk:Wiki99

About this tool

This tool is a fork of Module:WikimediaCEETable by User:Voll, with contributions from users Halibutt, Braveheart, Jura1, Strainu, Yupik, and Iketsi. I documented my interest in this tool for the Wiki99 project at special:permalink/22624476#WikimediaCEE_table_and_derivatives.

I wanted a fork instead of to use the original tool because I wanted to tweak default user settings and develop documentation for our particular use case. I thought that it would be best that I do this in a fork rather than the main tool. Thanks to the original creators, whom I will credit again more specifically if and when I complete this fork. Bluerasberry (talk) 19:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

WikiConference North America 2022

• https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Submissions:2022/Wiki99_and_the_global_canon

presentation proposal Bluerasberry (talk) 15:09, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Add link to Scholia topic profiles

Scholia provides various ways of profiling Wikidata content, including profiles of topics. I suggest to add a link from the Wiki99 table to the respective Scholia topic profile. For soil fertility from Wiki99/agriculture#Basic concepts, that link would be toolforge:scholia/topic/Q202080. Daniel Mietchen (talk) 03:37, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

There may be many other tools using Wikidata QID to reveal more info. However the table is meant to be compact, synthetic, and already shows these QIDs, and other tools can already detect links to Wikidata items via their QID. Adding more links would possibly break the table layout, but it could be added an an extra column at end of the table. For now this focuses on diversity and measuring it. There's already a description and an image of the topic, in addition to its name (all these collected from Wikidata items), because they are relevant to identify the topic, but not to detail them deeply.

How does this Scholia tool would help in measuring the diversity (not really measuring the quality, because it is meant to work independantly of the targetted language on Wikipedia). We could add many other links, such as entries in Wikitionnaries, Wikisource and so on. But let's just focus on the Wiki99 role: increase the availability of these topics, with effective cross-culture measurement, to avoid biases generated by English Wikipedia and highly related western cultures: here we want to be more inclusive of minorities, and help them focus their effort, or demonstrate that part of their culture is also interesting for other cultures that don't know it or may make false assumptions about their relative importance.

This Wiki99 tool must be able to query about 100 topics in hundreds of languages supported in Wikipedia. It was highly optimized to do that and present the result in a usable way that reveals the gaps we have. Adding more languages will also allow important topics to have more references (not just references to external resources available in English or a few "major" languages). So it helps reducing the bias (and get a measurement about some controversial rule, notably the "notoriety", which has caused various attempts to develop some contents to be erased or blocked). We want to hear the opinion of minorities, and their diversity of languages are a great way for that: they will be audible.

Scholia is not the only existing tool: via the QID link you get instantly to Wikidata with many important tools that can help develop the contents or assess its quality or relevance.

If you've seen how this module was developed, you can see how the lists of topics evolved, instead of being arbitrarily built from a single wiki view. But its not measuring the article quality or quantity, only how it correlates with other topics (e.g. via the number of Wikidata properties, and number of languages supporting that topic. It also helps all Wikis to get some common structures in their content classification.

For now that has been developed as a demo for a few topics, but other topic lists can be easily added now, and measured, here in Meta (because Meta is multicultural and acts as a hub for interwiki cooperations) with help of Wikidata.

All other tools made for Wikipedia, or other projects, are still usable, on their best appropriate place. So consider Wiki99 only as a tool for measuring the diversity and a way to increase it and find what is really important across cultures. It should be readable by anyone (but Sholia is probably too technical for many users, it contains too much infor and we leave the focus of Wiki99, which should remain simple to use by everyone). Efforts were made to make it also fully internationalized, and easy to integrate in a project page on any wiki, independantly of oits local user interface or the preferred user language. The real challenge was to be able to query thousands pages and present it in a easily navigatable view. And it is also a demo showing that large tables with many columns can fit in a wiki page (an alternative to the more basic "wikitable" modelà without making the table hard to read. I hope that it works well also on mobile devices with narrow screens and without using too much bandwidth and device memory to render so many results on the same page. There may however remain some CSS quirks. verdy_p (talk) 01:02, 18 December 2022 (UTC)