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Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Japanese Wikiversity

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This is a proposal for closing and/or deleting a wiki hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. It is subject to the current closing projects policy.

The proposal is rejected and the project will be kept open.

日本語/Japanese

これは、ウィキメディア財団が主催するwiki をクローズまたは削除するための提案です。現在の終了プロジェクトポリシーの対象です。

提案は拒否され、プロジェクトは開いたままにされます。

  • 閉鎖するLangcomメンバーによる説明：コンセンサスなし。- Millosh（talk）09:13、2017年4月15日（UTC）
  • タイプ:１
  • 提案：閉鎖
  • 提案された措置：コンテンツをBeta Wikiversityに転送する
  • 該当プロジェクトへの通知：[2]


This wiki has been around for 5 years, but I was only able to find one page with classroom content, although there are a lot of substubs and dummy portal pages. The main page has not been updated since 2008, and the news links there go entirely to English-language news posts from January to August 2008. There has been no replies to any of the announcements on its village pump page since 2010, and a 2010 request on the village pump page for information about the wiki's future plans was never answered. Keeping this "university" open is really just embarrassing. Shii (talk) 04:00, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]


＜＜下記は上記を翻訳サイトで翻訳して、Takumi3が解読したものです。翻訳サーバーや私のミスにより、間違っている可能性もあります。修正される方は、修正した部分をこの下に記入してください。また、使用したのは、Google翻訳、ヤフー翻訳、Webio翻訳です。 11:42, 31 January 2015 --Takumi3 Correction by--Takumi3 (talk) 06:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)＞＞日本語らしく修正しました(This Japanese I corrected, in a right flow.)--Ekusuto1 (talk) 09:07, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

一部改訳。--アイソン (talk) 13:49, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

私は5年に渡ってこのウィキを巡回してきましたが、（ウィキバーシティ日本語版に）多く存在するサブスタブでも偽物のポータルページでもない、学術的な情報（classroom content）が書かれているページは1つだけしか見つかりませんでした。また、このウィキバーシティのメインページは2008年に更新されてから一度も編集されていません。加えて、ニュースリンクも2008年の1月までは英語版にリンクしていましたが2010年にはついにリンクされなくなりました。しかも日本語ウィキバーシティでの企画、計画を議論するページにもリンクはありませんでした。このような状況でウィキバーシティを存続させるということには困難を極めるでしょう。<Shii> 2013年10月12日4時00分(UTC)

私がGoogle翻訳を使って推測する限り、コンテンツの多くは法律や犯罪関連のページに集中しています。私はこのコンテンツがどこまでウィキバーシティに掲載して範囲なのか分かりません（要改訳）。<This, that and the other>2013年10月12日4時13分(UTC)

日本の法律の範囲内ではないでしょうか。<MF-W>2013年10月12日14時34分(UTC)

ひとまずこの提案は取り下げることにします。きっと私は（この提案を提出する）何らかの理由を持っていたのでしょうが、私はページをおまかせ表示でしか調べていなかったようで、特別空間の全ページを確認していませんでした。このウィキバーシティは法律に関する100ほどのページを持っているようです。＜Shii＞2013年10月12日14時47分(UTC)

Support for this proposal （閉鎖提案に賛成）

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  1. (English) I support this proposal because this project is not active and local sysops are inactive. This project hasn't meaningful edits in recently 30 days. --Hosiryuhosi (talk) 00:11, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    (Japanese/日本語)このプロジェクトは不活発であり、ローカルの管理者も不活発であるため、私はこの提案に賛成します。このプロジェクトでは 30 日間にわたって有意義な編集がありません。--Hosiryuhosi (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Inactivity, by itself, is not usually a valid reason to close a wiki. If the wiki is devoid of appropriate content and inactive, then a closure request would be a more suitable action to take.
    Additionally, in my question above I wondered whether the pages relating to laws and crimes are "educational material" that belongs on Wikiversity, or whether it is more appropriate for another type of project - do you think you could clarify this, as a Japanese speaker who can understand the content? This, that and the other (talk) 02:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I understand it. Currently articles (ns0) are 150 pages in jawv, but 25% is useless stub or simply link to jawp (-> see talk). then many active user was gone. IMHO, current Japanese Wikiversity is not possibility of the growth. sometimes comes spambots and cross-wiki japanese LTAs (e.g. w:ja:LTA:ISECHIKA, w:ja:LTA:MASA, w:ja:LTA:GRIMM) only. Can't have a newly permanent local sysops in jawv. LTAs are creating abusive username in japanese, and It includes illegality (attacking to living person or includes non public personal info). but stewards or GSs can't read Japanese language (except me). I'm tired to coping it. if keep this project, we need a newly permanent local sysop.--Hosiryuhosi (talk) 09:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. Hosiryuhosi makes it abundantly clear that this wiki is a net negative to the Wikimedia family: it is creating a drain on volunteer time as long as it remains open. Its content should be transferred to Beta Wikiversity, where it will continue to be available for all to view and edit, and if the project grows to a decent size on Beta, it can be moved back to its own domain. This, that and the other (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Although I created this page not knowing that there was a bit of stray content on JPWV, I will support Hosiryuhosi's initiative. The legal pages, which were all made around 2009-2010, can easily be moved to Beta Wikiversity or Wikibooks without too much stress on bureaucrats' time. These pages cite no sources so they are a bit suspicious anyway -- do we want Wikimedia to be giving legal advice? リクエストを開けたときに法律の情報について知らなかったが、日本人のユーザも閉めることを支持つするから僕も支持します。 Shii (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. I am a Japanese-user acting in ja-wikipedia, ja-wikisource, and commons. I investigated some articles at random in ja-wv. Ja-wv have little formal/informal policy, guideline. In particular, there is no guideline of cite-sources. Almost all of articles have no sources. I do not believe them. I do not believe that they will improve.--Ashtray (talk) 18:26, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support--♥ゆいしあす♥ 23:23, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Reason? --Midnight Gambler (talk) 19:43, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. FDMS (WP: en, de) 23:14, 20 December 2013 (UTC) (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2013 (UTC): In my opinion it doesn't make sense to have a lot of versions of a project of which not even the English, "standard" version is really successful.[reply]
  7. Support closure - let me first give you a quick statistics of the last two years on Japanese Wikiversity: less than 10 main space articles have been created, while more than 80 pages have been deleted (of which more than 50% appear to be spams, and user pages the rest). Sadly, this makes me believe that the wiki is creating more burdens to patrol than content to be used. While being just inactive is not a reason for closure, the wiki appears like abandoned while building up itself to me, rather than just inactive. As someone who can read Japanese and has experience on Wikibooks, I believe that most of their existing (less than 100) substantial materials could be copied to and accepted on Wikbooks without modification, which would include the pages about law mentioned above; v:ja:Topic:民法 (総則), v:ja:Topic:民法 (物権), etc. The rest (skeletons of courses, and original-research articles) would found a place on Beta Wikiversity. I couldn't find a page that is substantial and exclusively course-like materials. In general, the format and content of substantial pages available there appear more like books than courses. FWIW, I quickly went through all of v:ja:Special:Allpages, one by one, before making this comment. I admit I could make use of a more careful assessment (for example by looking at edit histories), but I believe my overall observation will still stand, more or less. --whym (talk) 06:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support Reopen if it's developed.--GZWDer (talk) 05:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support because it's not active.--Lt2818 (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support --Steinsplitter (talk) 16:33, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support not active, few guideline, few ruehlbook. Users don't know how to create contents. (I was local sysop (start - 2010). ) 元ローカルsysopのMarine-Blueです。方針やガイドラインがなく、何をすれば良いか分からず、更にアクティブでないとすれば閉鎖（beta戻り）以外に道はないものと考えます。--Marine-Bluetalk✿contribs 13:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support　It's filled with Red Link. I think there is little possibility of improving this contents. --Alblinez (talk) 23:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support No vision, no passion. Need people who commit this project with vision and passion, but so far I don't believe that. e-Goat (talk), a bureaucrat of the Japanese Wiktionary, 12:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Support Why open yet?? --220.100.64.111 14:39, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Support--176.104.111.29 11:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support as This, that and the other and FDMS4 -- DerFussi 11:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Support --►Cekli829 13:22, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support - ここ数ヶ月w:ja:LTA:ISECHIKAという荒らしの温床になっており維持するリスクが他と比較して高すぎる。Wiktionary, wikinews, wikisource, wikibooksはまだ活動があるため、まだそこまでは行っていないと思うが。Wikipedia財団がこの荒らしに対し法的措置を執るというなら再考する余地がないでもないが。 --Kyube (talk) 10:13, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support - 残念ではありますが、この状況であれば閉鎖するほかないように思えます--Sakoppi (talk) 15:25, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Support - --Parintar (talk)
  21. Support --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:38, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Support - Or such of those really some utility value--Fumi37s (talk) 11:32, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Support --Josep Maria Roca Peña (talk) 09:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Support Because this project isn't active at all.--ロックの岩 (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Support LC (talk) 13:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Support--Account for MW (talk) 11:20, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Support--So ttt (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

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  1. Only 151 pages and 1925 edits since 2008 (even 2006) - this is the smallest Wikiversity. It's very slowly for a project in one of the most spoken languages in the world. On the other hand, Wikiversity isn't popular among wikimedians, so it's better not to rush into closure (IMHO). --Midnight Gambler (talk) 08:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I have used wikipedia since 2006, but I never heard of Wikiversity until now. I'm interested in en:Managing risk from cyber attacks by Heartbleed article in wikipedia. Wikiversity people should make links to wikipedia articles.--MTWT2012 (talk) 09:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  3. ウィキブックスに合併させるべきだ--Takumi3 (talk) 11:42, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --77.37.134.66 11:47, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  5. ウィキで作りたいものを作る。
最終的な段階
作りたいイメージ、技術の共有、寄付金、製作、無料で譲渡、
寄付金、作りたいもの、イメージ、技術の共有、製作、作ってほしい物、イメージの共有、
技術の共有、製作、無料譲渡。循環。
売らない。
貸さない。
作り続ける。
このサイクルで、ウィキ製作所を提案します。 — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tikyuu1 (talk)
I think the comment above is misplaced. It looks like a proposal to start a new wiki. whym (talk) 13:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Moved.--So ttt (talk) 11:26, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Opposing this proposal （閉鎖提案に反対）

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  1. I oppose. I'll write the reasons later because I haven't been able to translate the above discussion into Japanese yet.（Japanese）反対します。まだ訳せていないため、理由などは後ほどコメントいたします。反対意見もあることだけ先にお知らせした次第です。--Kawasaki ichiro (talk) 16:24, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose closure proposal is vandalism. 72.65.238.239 01:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think so... although personally I'm not ready to support it too. --Midnight Gambler (talk) 08:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. /* Oppose for this proposal （閉鎖提案に反対） */ I'm a student and need to write a report but don't have any book now. This site was so useful.--TM 13:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
  4. Oppose: Inactivity by itself is not a valid reason to close, as stipulated in the rules. There are no benefits to closing this wiki over leaving it open, even if it is not currently populated: 1) It not causing harm. The strain on servers and SWMT is negligible. Users who don't interact with a project at all can't have their time wasted by it (in any serious way). 2) If contributors to this project are found, it will be easier for them to have an independent wiki to contribute to, instead of petitioning to get the project out of Beta Wikiversity. Tempodivalse [talk] 02:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    1. @Tempodivalse: It was stated above that strain is indeed being placed on the sole Japanese speaker who has the rights to clean up spam, etc. on this wiki. So I don't buy that part of the argument. This, that and the other (talk) 04:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    2. "If contributors to this project are found, it will be easier for them to have an independent wiki to contribute to, instead of petitioning to get the project out of Beta Wikiversity." Actually in this case, said contributors have been found, and they have indicated it's easier managing the wiki from beta-wv than it is in its current state. (Though I have not checked yet whether what they've said is true or that it is a good enough reason to warrant closure.) TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 09:06, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose for this proposal （閉鎖提案に反対） / I am making it zealously.--Charidri (talk) 17:56, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Oppose --Rosa del desierto (talk) 15:29, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose 私も反対です。--積善錬錬 (talk) 13:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Reason Please.--121.102.17.27 04:59, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Oppose It's a useful project that could come back to life again, if some supporters are found. There is still hope. --Tremonist (talk) 12:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Oppose I'm Japanese user and oppose this suggestion. Definitely this project is inactive. But for example Japanese law infomation which is contained in this project is very useful, and has excellent specialty. And because that Japanese law study's specialty and diffcalty, many people can't join this project. That is very natural thing, but this can't deny usability of this project. 私は日本人ですが閉鎖に反対です。確かにプロジェクトは不活発ですが、特に法律知識の情報は極めて適格かつ高い専門性を持っており有用です。そしてその法律学の難しさと高い専門性ゆえに多くの人間が参加困難である状態です。しかしそれは単に日本の法律学の難解さによるものであり、論理必然にこのプロジェクトの有用性を否定するものではありません。--Emperium (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    @Emperium: Since it sounded like there was a confusion, I would like to describe closures in general. A closure does not mean deleting or hiding the contents on the project. It means putting the project back to an incubation stage with all content developed so far kept accessible to anyone; although ja.wikiversity.org itself might be locked from editing, the content would never be deleted. Please read what how Japanese Wiktionary (http://ja.wiktionary.org) closed itself and restarted after policies and plans were developed: 日本語版ウィクショナリーの整備. whym (talk) 12:39, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Oppose　WVの利用者として反対します。確かに不活発ではあるかもしれませんが、今後増えることも十分に考えられます。Wikiversityでの項目の作成方法が確立できていないのも要因のひとつで、それは閉鎖で解決するのではなく確固たる前例を作らなければならないと考えます。（It may be there is inactive, to be sure, but is considered well also be increased in the future. How to create items in the "Wikiversity" has not been able to establish also one of the factors, I think it is a must make a firm precedent instead of having to resolve closure.）--アルトクール(Home in JAWN) 16:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Oppose on the grounds that inactivity isn't a valid reason for closure. Zellfaze (talk) 19:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Oppose （閉鎖提案に反対）　コンテンツ不足の問題ならば英語版WVなど外国版WVの翻訳移入で解決できます。現在は、まだ翻訳移入されていませんが、今後に行われる可能性もあります。もし、日本版WVが閉鎖した場合、翻訳記事の受け入れ先が無くなります。また、ウィキブックスの負担が増します。 Problem of lack content can be resolved by the translation import of foreign version WV for example the English version WV. Currently, it has not been translated yet populated, but there could be made in the future. If the Japan version of WV is closed, destination acceptance of the translation article will disappear.In addition, the burden of Wikibooks is increased.--すじにくシチュー (talk) 10:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    まず、閉鎖であり、削除ではありません。翻訳の受け入れは移行先のベータウィキバーシティで可能ですので、ウィキブックスの負担は心配する必要がありません。コンテンツ不足ではなく、コンテンツ作成の原動力となるビジョンと人員の不足が問題と考えます。Misunderstanding. As whym pointed above, this is not deletion but closure, just transferred to beta.wikiversity. You don't need to worry about Wikibooks here. e-Goat (talk) 12:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  13. (反対) 世界一素晴らしい言語のコンテンツの閉鎖など、閉鎖賛成してる貴様らは愛国心がまるでない。裕人天皇陛下の無慈悲な怒りの鉄槌が下されても知らんぞ！--182.249.240.31 10:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think the IP user above saying "this closure is not patriotic to Japan", or something to a similar effect, is trying to seriously participate. whym (talk) 13:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  14. (反対)日本語版ウィキバーシティーは、まだまだ成長の見込みがあります。よって、閉鎖に反対します。（(Opposite) Japanese version wikiversity, there is still hope of growth. Therefore, I will oppose the closure.）--黒鵬 (talk) 03:56, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Oppose The project is useful, and someone could start anew with it. --Sarvaturi (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Oppose Wikiの利用者として反対します。確かに記事がまだまだ少ないですが、協力を得て内容が濃くなって記事が増えれば、かなり役立つからです。（I oppose as the user of Wiki. There are still few articles certainly, but it's because it's quite useful when an article gets cooperation, and the contents become rich, and increases.）--永続繁栄 (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Oppose --Mediamedia803 (talk) 08:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Opposewikimedia日本語版を利用している者です。私はまだ学生ですが、Wikimediaをとても使わせていただいています。もちろんWikiversityも例外ではありません。記事自体は少ないですが、それこそUserで協力して記事を増やせばよいのではないでしょうか？もちろん、Wikimedia財団様の資金がない、ということでしたらあきらめますが…。— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 440takumi (talk) 2016年2月1日 (月) 11:49 (UTC)
  19. Oppose --Naminsk (talk) 11:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Oppose --KSKHS (talk) 12:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Oppose --Aiovo (talk) 13:39, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Oppose - This proposal has been open for three years without resolution. It's not likely to pass. If inactivity is not resolved for years, the closure might be reconsidered. --George Ho (talk) 20:08, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Oppose（閉鎖に反対） - 閉鎖に反対。我々はどのようにしてウィキペディアを作り上げてきたのでしょうか。今では質の高いものとなったウィキペディア英語版も、最初はもっと低品質で粗悪なものだったはずです。それを「大勢で同じことをやればたくさんのことができる」という単純で強力な理念に基づいて作り上げてきました。ウィキバーシティー日本語版は、今まさにこれからボランティアの手によって作り上げられようとしているのだと思います。この重要な時期に、果たして「閉鎖」というのは正しい選択なのでしょうか。ウィキバーシティー日本語版はまだまだこれから成長します。よって、閉鎖には強く反対します。--アイソン (talk) 14:02, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Oppose--ロングラン (talk) 12:12, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Oppose--ぺんたごん(talk) 14:02, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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