Talk:Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid/Archive1

See also: Current

Just a thought

When women get to take charge, they do not generally start wars..

Ideas for postcards

• q:fr:Evelyn Beatrice Hall - q:en:Evelyn Beatrice Hall

added in Wikiquote

quote : Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu'au bout pour que vous puissiez le dire.

pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre

no picture

• q:en:Beyoncé but not in French wikiquote

quote : We have to care about our bodies and what we put in them. Women have to take the time to focus on our mental health—take time for self, for the spiritual, without feeling guilty or selfish. The world will see you the way you see you, and treat you the way you treat yourself. "Beyoncé Wants to Change the Conversation", interview with Elle (4 April 2016)

there is a picture

• w:en:Ada Lovelace exists in other languages

there is a picture

quote : engine is the material expression of any indefinite function of any degree of generality and complexity. As quoted by Rosen, Kenneth H. (2013). Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications, McGraw-Hill, ISBN 9780071315012. p.29. (suggested because it is not a quote about womanhood, but one about Maths and engines)

webinar date

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:

Hello. Camelia propose to host a webinar in the next few days, to explain Wikiquote to anyone interested. This is part of the #SheSaid initiative :) If interested, we are asking you what would be your favorite timeslot on doodle. https://doodle.com/poll/p48ypwnffszhu8e6 Cheers. Anthere (talk) 10:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

#SheSaid drive on bcl Wikiquote incubator

Hello everyone,

I would just want to ask if it's possible to join this campaign even if our local Wikiquote is still in its incubator status. This will be of very big help for us since we're not only developing the status of the local Wikiquote but also doing contributions for this movement. Thank you very much! Kunokuno (talk) 15:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Please do! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiGap

Ukrainian Wikiquote join WikiGap 2021 with the hashtags #WikiGap, #SheSaid: q:uk:Вікіцитати:WikiGap 2021, q:uk:Категорія:Статті WikiGap 2021.--Сергій Липко (talk) 02:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)على

Thanks for mentionning it ! Anthere (talk)قبل

These postcards are missing images

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Yes, thank you. It is true ! It is not a bug, it is a feature. This was to outline that those women actually did not have a picture on Commons... They need pictures :) Anthere (talk)

Next SheSaid

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:

Hello. We'll host a new SheSaid in October 2021 ! I hope you are still keen to participate this year !

There is something new this year. Several women will host events in their countries to present Wikiquote and host edit-a-thon as part of SheSaid (and more generally to reflect on the gender gap of course). You may already know some of them, whilst others are new comers and will benefit from your warm and friendly collective support.
Some submitted some rapid grant requests and if you think their proposals are good and you want to support the development of wiki activities in their countries, please drop by the grant request and add your support; This would be much appreciated. The list :

• Grants:Project/Rapid/ChabbieCee/She Said
• Grants:Project/Rapid/Cmwaura/SheSaid
• Grants:Project/Rapid/Sichelesile/SheSaid
• Grants:Project/Rapid/Ola/SudanSheSaid
• Grants:Project/Rapid/Faith Mwanyolo/Wiki Loves Women 2021 in Kenya
• Grants:Project/Rapid/Clementine Nyirahabihirwe/Wiki Loves Women 2021 in Rwanda
• Grants:Project/Rapid/Serieminou/WikiLovesWomen2021

Permission to add results from BCL and TL Wikiquote

Hi Anthere, this is just to ask permission if we can also add from the list the primary results of the edits we had on both BCL and TL Wikiquote which are currently on incubator. We will be manually counting the created articles since the #SheSaidPH2021 we used on hashtag tracker generate no results. Our campaign will end by this month but we would be happy to share the initial results of our local campaign here. Thank you very much.Kunokuno (talk) 11:59, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely ! Just go forward. Please do. I was going to ask you ! I know the hashtag tool does not work (bummer). So yes, it is more complicated. So please yes, we do need you to report the PH2021 figures ! Anthere (talk) @Kunokuno:

Hi Anthere, it was just now that I've added the contributions we have for the Central Bikol and Tagalog Wikiquote. Took me quite a while before I was able to notice your reply on my first message, apologies. I was able to see the post on Twitter this morning and I was reminded. :) Congratulations on the great turn out of the SheSaid Campaign 2021 for all the participating communities. Kunokuno (talk) 13:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah !!! Good ! Let’s update the latest figures ! Yes, Candy posted the results today. There is a blog post too ! https://www.wikiloveswomen.org/2022/01/24/shesaid-2021-global-campaign-results/ Anthere (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

News from the hashtag tool

Some of you know that the hashtag tool has stopped working at some point and this is making our lives a bit more complicated for tracking.

I reported the issue on Phabricator and got some news !

Sorry for the delay in looking into this - the tool isn't officially maintained and I missed this. It looks like the last data we have is September 30th.
I'm trying to fix this today; the problem appears to be an SSL error in the collection script container - it can't connect to the eventstream. Suspect this has to do with us using an old VM so I'm going to aim to hit two birds with one stone and upgrade production to Debian Stretch.
Once this gets up and running again we'll be able to collect historical data from up to 30 days ago, but unfortunately will have lost anything between then and September 30th.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T296410

Anthere (talk) 12:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Did I mention that the tool is down again ? SIGH Anthere (talk)

Incoming results SheSaid-2021

• SheSaid-2021 on the Ukrainian Wikiquote: 169 new articles, 55 improved articles (Shoodho, Islahaddow, Anthere) --Сергій Липко (talk) 23:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Nice !!! Anthere (talk)

And this is the blogpost to announce the results ! https://www.wikiloveswomen.org/2022/01/24/shesaid-2021-global-campaign-results/ Anthere (talk)

Results 2021 !

Hello friends !

The SheSaid drive is over ! All results may be found here.

For 2021, nine different language communities contributed – Italian, Ukrainian, English, Tagalog, Igbo, Spanish, French, Central Bikol, and Catalan. In addition to the global drive, 12 members of Wiki Loves Women’s Focus Group held local training and participation drives with their communities.

Across the 9 language Wikiquotes a collective of 1,514 articles were created. This ensures that 1,514 notable women whose voices and wisdom had previously not been featured, can now be easily accessed. Articles for a further 309 women were improved. In addition, 638 articles featuring notable women were created on Kinyarwanda Wikipedia (Wikipediya mu Kinyarwanda) by the activities of the Wiki Loves Women Focus Group member in Rwanda in collaboration with Wikimedia Rwanda Usergroup.

The Italian language community through the enthusiasm of the Wiki Donne user group was again the most outstanding contributor to the SheSaid Campaign. This community created articles about 609 women and improved a further 227 articles. The next prolific contender, the Tagalog language community (currently in incubator status) created 308 new articles. The third highest contributing language community was to the EnglishUkrainian language Wikiquote by creating 169 articles and improving a further 55 articles.

Below are the stats impact for the SheSaid Campaign across 9 different languages that participated in 2021;

• SheSaid on the italian wikiquote: 609 new articles, 227 improved articles 🎉.
• Tagalog Wikquote: 308 new articles (currently in incubator status)
• SheSaid on the Ukrainian Wikiquote: 169 new articles, 55 improved articles
• SheSaid on the English wikiquote: 157 articles created and 18 improved.
• SheSaid on the Central Bikol Wikquote: 138 new articles (currently in incubator status)
• SheSaid on the French wikiquote: New : 65 / Improved : 7 (final data from January 3rd !)
• On Igbo incubator: 40 entries created so far ! (though not all listed ?)
• SheSaid on the Catalan wikiquote: 20 article created and 2 improved articles
• SheSaid on the Spanish wikiquote: 9 entries created.

The lack of women’s voices in the digital domain is a global issue, one that we can collective work on in order to change how women are viewed. Wiki Loves Women is awed by the response and enthusiasm to the second edition of this drive, and looks forward to the third version in 2022! We urge that anyone can join this initiative and continue to make an impact by adding more articles about women !

Anthere (talk) 10:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid 2022 !

Hello,

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Alice Redhotroof:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:.

The #SheSaid campaign will return in October 2022. To better organize this edition, we would like to know whether you plan participating to it or not :)

There is still time. But in case you need funding, please be aware that the application for a small grant to the Wikimedia Foundation needs to be done before the 1st September 2022!

We plan to organise an office hour dedicated to the @SheSaid campaign in July.

If you are interested (even if not sure to join #SheSaid because it will depend on a thousand of things), please drop your name below so that we make sure to inform you !

Cheers

Anthere (talk) 19:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I will probably only participate to the extent that I will try to make new pages for women in my spare time: I don't have a plan for programmatic additions. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and as an admin at en.wq, I will encourage the same. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Great ! Thanks User:Koavf. Anthere (talk)

I am really interested but faced misuse of access. Some small wikis suffers a lot. I have been blocked indefinite in Persian Wikiquote based on Persian Wikipedia's gossips, and I have issues in Arabic Wikiquote too, just been blocked for a week; Because lack of the local policies like Image use policy, Quotability, etc... and a pro-blocking admin there, made me semi-retired. Ruwaym (talk) 20:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Bytheway, I Improved many entires of women in both Arabic and Persian Wikiqoutes, out of time, like: Farzaneh Ta'idi, Shirin Ebadi, Farzaneh Kabuli, Googoosh, Leila Forouhar, Tahmineh Milani, Fatemeh Mo'tamed-Araia, Niki Karimi - Ibtihal al-Khatib, Nadin Labaki, Rahma Riad, Arab women and Women. They really said cool things.

But the access-holders are not chosen for their logical reasoning and familiarity with universal principles, "community consensus" is always matter, even if a clear violation occurs. So #SheSaid cannot be universal while there is misuse of access by local people in small wikis. With Regards. Ruwaym (talk) 20:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Tough :((( Anthere (talk) 23:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Here it is the 2022 Italian page event. We absolutely need the central notice banner this year, can someone already start to think about? 🥰 --Camelia (talk) 21:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Good idea Camelia. We can definitely do that. Do you suggest we ask for a central notice only on wikiquote ? Are wikiquote/meta ? Or more than that ? What do you think ? User:Ciell can probably help on this ? Anthere (talk)

@Anthere Of course, having it on Wikipedia and Wikiquote, even if not for all the two month (let's say 2 weeks at the beginning), would be great. But should work also only on Wikiquote, I know communities have many things to promote with banners (WokiDonne itself has other activities during that period that would like to know). --Camelia (talk) 07:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Let me create a quick request and we can discuss with the central notice admin what would be the best regime of display depending on what’s displayed at that time. Anthere (talk)

To be discussed here : CentralNotice/Request/SheSaid Anthere (talk) 09:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I hope I will be attending on jawp and maybe on wikidata. Question: One small ripple. Have many-one encouraged your community to add hashtag on article-talkpage for SheSaid? I am keen to know if before/after hashtag, you find more articles added locally? My hunch is that ear-marking those contribute/support SheSaid is a convenient way to those people among jawp editors/readers who are not quite happy about adding not-popular female somebody. Very sorry, but I sense supporting equality/lowering gender gap on jawp has lowered its voltage, and wonder how it will attract more editors/readers on the subject. Me personally love to hear stories of who said what, and thrilled to listened to the She sphere <3 --Omotecho (talk) 22:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Omotecho Same for me. It's not just about the Women, not about Patriarchy vs Feminism, It's about being Liberal and Modernist. Liberalism and Humanism is not widely accepted in Persian and Arab wp and wk. I faced troubles there, a multi-identital-cultural-racial user have no choice but to contribute only in English projects. Ruwaym (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I do not think anyone added the hashtag on the talk page of the articles. Worth trying... Perhaps you could try a template, mentioning the article is from #shesaid ? Anthere (talk)

@Anthere, hi, the hashtag idea is borrowed from w:en:Women_in_Red. @Camelia might have better orientation to offer from WiR sphere please? --re-positioned my comment as timestamp-wise. Omotecho (talk) 02:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC) / Omotecho (talk) 01:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Side note, we can use queries such as this one to track the use of a hashtag. Anthere (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @Anthere, thank you that you mentioned the hushtag app is not running, and appreciate you are running query by yourself! The teach-in was so fruitful for me to see and I would love to sail on the "calm waters" you introduced the Zoom meeting ppl to a night ago (18:00 in my timezone, 15 October 2022). Arigatow, thank you, merci! (= I ponder how I will pay forward to ja speaking community my learnings. --Omotecho (talk) 09:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Dear Anthere,

thanks for the notification and update on this year's #Shesaid Campaign. I would love to organise a local meetup / editathons for Librarians in Nigeria to promote the use and contributions of Librarians to Wikiqoute. Please keep me updated on the proposed date for the office hours. Thanks, Bukky658 (talk) 09:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello dear Bukky658. This is noted !!! Anthere (talk)

Hi Anthere, our group will definitely join this campaign this year considering also that both the wikiquote projects we're working on incubator might get it's own domain soon. :) Thanks for the invite. In behalf of Wiki Advocates Philippines. Kunokuno (talk) 11:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Great ! It would also be awesome if you were out of the incubator in October ! Anthere (talk)

I will be participating. Issahiddris (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Nice ! Anthere (talk) 14:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Anthere: SheSaid on the Ukrainian Wikiquote will be held on October 10 - November 30.--Сергій Липко (talk) 12:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Сергій Липко: I added you the query to help tracking ! Anthere (talk)

@Anthere: thank you!--Сергій Липко (talk) 20:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Meetings, office hours

Hello

• To present quickly the drive to newcomers
• To discuss what needs to be done to prepare the drive (visuals, banners, templates etc.)
• To help submitting grant requests if required
• Or simply to meet others :)

The following times are proposed with the Zoom links:

• Wednesday 20th July 2022 at 5:30 pm UTC+2 (for english speakers) : [1]
• Samedi 23 Juillet at 10:00 am UTC+2 (pour francophones) : [2]
• Saturday 23rd July at 11:00 am UTC+2 (for english speakers) : [3]

Looking forward to talking to anyone interested

Anthere (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Resources

• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Knowledge_Sharing

SheSaid 2022 Grant Request Template

Dear all,

Following up our office hours, please find here the SheSaid 2022 Grant Request Template.

Please Note that if you intend to organize a local event, you need to apply for a grant to the Wikimedia Foundation before the 1st September 2022.

Cheersǃ
Afek91 (talk) 13:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the reminder Prithee P (talk) 12:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing Bukky658 (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Content duplication

Dear Islahaddow,

You have reverted my edit without any explanation. I probably should have asked before doing this massive change, I chose to be bold instead.

• Shouldn’t we have the header menu in the main page?
• Is this expected to have the same content duplicated through pages? If so, cannot we use transclusion instead of repeating the same content, to facilitate maintenance and translation?

-- Pols12 (talk) 20:43, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Dear User:Pols12

This was a glitch in my system and I apologise for inadvertently reverting your edit. I had so many tabs open while doing the banner change and page rearrangement that when I closed down my browser it automatically saved an earlier version, thereby reverting your change. I am sorry ... I was grateful for your boldness and do not let this hold you back in future ... Islahaddow (talk) 10:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

OK, thank you for the explanation! 🙂 -- Pols12 (talk) 12:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

be bold... Pols12. AND PLEASE, your help is more than welcome with the translation tags. Moving pages around ... I do not really know how to most efficiently fix the translation tags. Anthere (talk)

Meetings before end of August

As you may know, the deadline for applying for a grant to organize a #SheSaid local event is the 1st September 2022.

If you have any question or any problem with the grant applications, please join our 2 Office Hours. The Wiki In Africa team is happy to help.

• Thursday 25th August 2022 at 1:00 pm UTC+2 (for English speakers): Link
• Monday 29th August 2022 at 7:00pm UTC+2 for (French speakers): Link
• Link for the SheSaid 2022Grant Request Template

Cheers!

Thanks for the update. I missed this session. Is there a recording? Bukky658 (talk) 12:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

No, we usually do not record office hours. Sorry about that. We’ll do more meetings end of September. If you have questions about a rapid grant, please drop the link here and/or contact me ! You may also try to show at tonight meeting (meant for French speaking, but if you have a quick question in English, it should do). Anthere (talk) 13:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Grant request

• SheSaid Northern Nigeria
• SheSaid Rwanda
• West Nigeria
• SheSaid Philippines
• SheSaid Zimbabwe

SheSaid Philippines 2022

Hi everyone,

This is just to notify the organizers that the Wiki Advocates Philippines will be joining this year's campaign through our own local Wikiquote projects, Wikisambit and Wikikawikaan who are both scheduled to have their own domains soon. We are open to any form of collaboration or any task that would be assigned to our group as support for the International campaign. The group is also working on a grant request to support this year's local campaign. Thank you very much. On behalf of Wiki Advocates Philippines, Kunokuno (talk) 06:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

This is great news Antony ! Anthere (talk) 17:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kunokuno: Hi. I am a big confused as to where is your portal page to track info for 2022... can you help ? Anthere (talk) 11:04, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Anthere, here is our event page for this year's campaign: SheSaid Philippines 2022. There is no yet participant lists but some local editors are already starting to edit on Wikiquote projects using the #SheSaid #SheSaidPH2022. We are planning to have in-person edit-a-thon by next week. Kunokuno (talk) 14:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Great Antony. I update the page accordingly. Great visuals by the way ! Anthere (talk) 14:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Central Notice

Hello. A request has been done here : CentralNotice/Request/SheSaid but has not yet seems to generate much attention. User:Ciell and Camelia, can you be the leads on this part and make sure it happens ? Anthere (talk)

OK. --Camelia (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Camelia.boban @Ciell – We have lots of images and materials that can be used to make an arresting site notice for SheSaid - what do you need from me? Islahaddow (talk) 11:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Islahaddow, I learned in the TG channel that @Jeremyb would be designing the banner and the campaign. I do not really have the bandwith to coordinate global banners atm, also because there is a bug that requires a CN admin (or the steward) to be around al through the campaign to check for and push to live all the translations that come in. This means a lot of extra work.... :(

In general on the banner request, I would say: please limit the number of countries you want to target to the number of countries actually participating in the campaign. As you can see in the calendar, October is a busy month for CN campaigns. Ciell (talk) 10:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Islahaddow can I propose to create a derivative of File:Wikiloveswomen logo piece only.png with instead of the Women in the center, a small speaking cloud or something similair? The CN banner request still needs:

• one landing page
• one image
• a line of text of 50-70 characters.

Ciell (talk) 09:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid Visuals 2022.

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Alice Redhotroof:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:.

Hello all, I am happy to share with you this year's visuals that I've been working on. If you have any comment, suggestion or a quote to add, please contact me (afek[at]wikiinafrica.org).

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Afek91 (talk) 23:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Comment: gorgeous. Generally, I do like white-text-on-color background, but there can sometimes be issues with display, printing, accessibility, or readability. I don't think that's true here, but some typographic designers prefer to avoid that for those reasons. Good luck with that fourth one: I can easily see the scenario where you get some very negative feedback for it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I love them Afek ! Anthere (talk) 11:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Comment: thank you!--Jalu (talk) 20:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Afek91Lovely graphic design. However, it is far easier to read text when it is not printed in all caps. (A general constant in graphic design.) Try it and see the difference. Also, if the background was a bit darker, that would help readers with some forms of low vision. (See Wikipedia for "Low vision".) Thank you for your consideration, Wordreader (talk) 20:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

SheSaid 2022 banners.

Hello all,

So I share with you the banners we suggest, which one do you prefer? Please feel free to make suggestions.

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• File:SheSaid campaign 2022 banner 3.png

Afek91 (talk) 11:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

my personal favorite is the third. Second best is the first image. Anthere (talk) 11:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I think i see why the third is your favorite. I personally like that one as well Prithee P (talk) 17:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll pick the second, a manga/comic touch. Which will apeal to Japanese speaking communities. (; Omotecho (talk) 11:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Putting Elliot Page on a banner about women quotes and misgendering him twice seems rather awkward, to say the least.

It could be seen as offensive and I guess a lot more quotes could be included instead. TheSingleMalt (talk) 13:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

A year later somehow, but... definitely... Snake enthusiast (talk) 01:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Proposition of Webinars

Hello...

So... I am going to see with @Natacha LSP when I could do a small training session in French in partnership with LSP...

Does anyone feel like hosting a webinar + Q&A in English ? Perhaps amongst those who participated last year ? I can help and I can join of course. I am super packed this week, but I am at home this week-end (perhaps a Saturday morning for Europeans-Africans (around 10 UTC+2 ?) or super late on Friday for others (around 11 UTC+2 ?). Thoughts ?

Next week will be complicated for I as well because I will be travelling with Wikimedia France to help on a giant edit-a-thon. I will do SheSaid stuff, but it would be very complicated for me to host or join a webinar (not sure when I will be free, not sure about the internet connexion...) Anthere (talk) 11:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

It's great that a training video will be made available in French. Does that mean there would not be any made this year in English? Prithee P (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Saturday morning should be a free time for most and hopefully, a lot of interested participants should be available as well.

What Saturday are you refering to tho? This Saturday? Prithee P (talk) 17:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

We have a long one from last year... those are the things we have in our current box...Anthere (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I have seen the video, really helpful. I could make a shorter version in English, at least for the Nigerian community and anyone that wants to use it as well Prithee P (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

• tutorial: How to add an entry on Wikiquote (English - 2021)

But the potential problem is that it is 30 mn long. VERY long. Does anyone feel like doing a shorter version this year (in English or any other language ?)

• Presentation in Italian with English subtitles (Italian)

My proposition

• Office Hour time on Saturday 8th. 11Am UTC+2 : we can discuss/finalize site notice, social media promotion, agenda for training in other languages, any question : cancelled.
• Launching Webinar on Saturday 15th October. 11 AM UTC+2. Presentation of the project and Wikiquote training. English. Recorded and hosted on YouTube for those who can not attend : CONFIRMED
• Training session on the Saturday 12th of November. 11 AM UTC+2. English. NOT CONFIRMED
• Training session in French. Thursday 20th of October. 20 PM UTC+2. French. CONFIRMED link
• Other...

Anthere (talk) 09:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Anthere, I had not seen these posts sorry. I think 2 hours on a thursday lunch might not birng many people but let's go for that if you wish. We could also do it in the evenening :) Natacha LSP (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Natacha LSP: let’s continue the conversation on LSP telegram so as to identify the best time. Anthere (talk) 11:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Also.... please consider joining the Telegram channel : https://t.me/+Ro2OSi68A6E13vaS

Launching Webinar on Saturday 15th October. 11 AM UTC+2. Presentation of the project and Wikiquote training. English. CONFIRMED.
Link : https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86277195329

Demo video in French

Eh... I recorded a demo of article creation :)

Anthere (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Queries for tracking

• fr.wikiquote: Query pour suivre le hashtag SheSaid
• en.wikiquote: Query to track

We can duplicate for as many languages we want

Anthere (talk) 23:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello again. I did it in more languages. We currently have English, French, Spanish, Italian, Ukrainian here Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid/Participating Communities. I have not been able to do it in Igbo and Bengali (the language code does not show in Quary). Maybe this is because the wikis are very new ? Anthere (talk) 11:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid 2022ː five key spaces for engagement and knowledge.

WLW SheSaid puzzle logo

Dear all,

The #shesaid campaign is running. We are excited about the 3rd year of this competition.

I am contacting you to see if there are any updates or problems that the team can assist with. I’d also like to share with you five key spaces for engagement and knowledge sharing with the team and other local organisers.

1. Is your community listed on the Participation Page? If not, please do so here.
2. Join the next office hour: The Wiki Loves Women team will be happy to answer all your questions during the next office hour, on Thursday, 13th October 2022 at 1pm UTC+2. [meet.google.com/dsr-mhze-qct Link to join]
3. SheSaid Webinar: Join our webinar this Saturday, 15th October 2022 at 11am UTC+2. Link to join
4. SheSaid Webinar FRENCH: Jeudi 20 Octobre. 20 PM UTC+2. French. CONFIRMED lien
5. If you have any questions or suggestions, you can add them here.
6. If you would like to chat, please join our Wiki GenderGap Telegram group.

Here are some useful links to spread the word:

1. You can find all the new and old visuals on commons here. If you have a special quote that you want to be mentioned on social media, please email me, I will be happy to create social media visuals for you.
2. You can find here all the material (documents, videos..) explaining how to edit Wikiquote in different languages.

Please be sure to share our posts on social media (we will share yours too!!)

1. Hashtags to use: #shesaid #WLW
2. Twitter: @WikiLovesWomen
3. Instagram: @WikiLovesWomen
4. Facebook: fb.com/WikiLovesWomen

Looking forward to hearing from you! Afek91 (talk) 14:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Maybe better give space in-between like:

• 4: Facebook: fb.com/Wiki_Loves_Women

Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 15:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

NPOV violation in the landing page

Phrase "Aside from the alpha male displayed on home page, check out the people list and look for women..." may be seen acceptable in English (I don't know), but in literal translation into Russian (as example) this become radically non-neutral. Generally, sarcastic style is bad practice. Kaganer (talk) 22:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It’s fine in Russian as well as in English. It’s supposed to be a sarcastic note about the state of Wikiquote’s coverage. It fulfils that purpose in both languages. stjn^[ru] 12:26, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Nope. Kaganer (talk) 18:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I mean, we’re both Russian speakers, so it’s just your opinion against mine. The fact that you don’t like the joke doesn’t mean that the joke is ‘not acceptable’ in Russian. stjn^[ru] 21:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Joke may be, sure. But this joke is not good - for Wikimedia space. Kaganer (talk) 09:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Hmmmm... three things... first... welcome to your first edition in Russian !

Second... could you please add the link to the SheSaid project page in Russian ? I do not read Russian myself, but it would be great to add it the list of all language project pages... here Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid/Participating Communities

Third... I must say that my understanding of « Alpha » male is such that this mention of « Alpha » is not appropriate to the main page. According to Wikipedia, it means in groups of animals is the most dominant male of its social group. The Alpha male is to be opposed to the beta males, the first being the dominant over the other males. This is quite unrelated to what we are currently doing... I am fairly sure that amongst all the men having entries in Wikiquote, some are alpha and some beta... and so what ? Plus, it is rather slang vocabulary... not super professional. But in any cases... this is unrelated to what we are doing.
What we are trying to do is to give more visibility to our most notable women.
So I’d say that the above sentence is not appropriate. It should be rephrased. But again, I do not read Russian... so can only rely on you to do the best thing :) Usually... relying on facts is a pretty cool thing to do. Anthere (talk) 11:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of facts on entries from wikiquote also in Wikidata

• female : 457
• male : 3867

Anthere (talk) 11:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Anthere: It is not about alpha, it is about male. Russian language has no direct, concise and neutral equivalents for English male and female. The equivalents for male animal and female animal (самец and самка, the former used in the translation of alpha male) are strictly for animals. Using them to address people is a gross insult. Unless, of course, the person publicly accepts the sexually-loaded language - which, I believe, Trump did not, certainly not in its Russian-language connotation. Retired electrician (talk) 15:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

oh.... I see... hmmm... but then... do you have any project that seeks to close the gender gap in Russian ? If so, which terminology do they use ? The message could avoid using male/female (thus giving it a sexual tone) and rather focus on the gender gap ? Anthere (talk)

Great discussion, very inspiring. While jawq does not run a campaign yet, your discussion made me recall: in Japanese language, adding male/female makes the attributed person look beast-like / non-intelligent, or the speaker is insulting. Maybe it's linked with our Buddhist ideology, that your wrong deed in this life, will let you incarnate into lower grade of living form, meaning animal/insects. Off topic: For Alpha, the old schoolers in the society of Japan like the term "boss", and yes, its neutral sexually. I will include woman bosses as a keyword as well for my search, maybe those shes are not that prominent, but might have left a quote which other people remembers. -- Omotecho (talk) 12:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Ideas for translating "SheSaid" into languages with no gendered pronouns

Hungarian has no gendered pronouns (the word for 'he' and 'she' is the same in Hungarian). Any thoughts on a good way to translate "SheSaid"? How is it done in Estonian, Finnish, Chinese and other nongendered languages? -- Malatinszky (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Keep the name of the initiative as is ? (#SheSaid) Anthere (talk) 22:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

It's translated correctly for Chinese. There is a different word for "he" vs. "she". OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Эта кампания конечно хороша, но...

Можно ли создать ещё какую-нибудь кампанию, в которой я сам смогу поучаствовать. С удовольствием занялся бы созданием символов Юникода в викисловаре.-- Блинов Рюрик Петрович (talk + contributions) 08:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Translation : Is it possible to create another campaign in which I myself can participate. I would love to create Unicode characters in Wiktionary.

I’d love to see some Russian quotes here as well. My suggestion... 1) create a project page on the Russian Wikiquote. 2) add your project page here

But please note SheSaid is done on Wikiquote... not on Wiktionary ! Anthere (talk) 15:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Этим займутся другие участники. Я люблю больше создавать и редактировать слова, морфемы и фразеологизмы.-- Блинов Рюрик Петрович (talk + contributions) 16:05, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

New training options

• Saturday 26th of November. 10 am UTC+1 (Paris time). It will be on Zoom : link. user:Anthere will welcome you ! If interested, please indicate your name below
  • your signature

Reminders

1. If you participate, please list yourself here : [4]
2. If you would like to chat, please join the Wiki GenderGap Telegram group.
3. Hashtags to use: #shesaid #WLW
4. Twitter: @WikiLovesWomen
5. Instagram: @WikiLovesWomen
6. Facebook: fb.com/WikiLovesWomen

Wolof Wikiquote

The Wolof Wikiquote is on the verge of being closed! I have added as much as I can, but it (and the other Wolof projects) need some tender loving care form someone who knows the language. If that can be part of the She Said project so much the better! Rich Farmbrough 20:59 13 November 2022 (GMT).

Upcoming Film

There is a film that shares the same name "She Said" which is set for release this weekend (November 18th, 2022).

The banners notifying users of #sheSaid could be misconstrued as advertising. Cashew.wheel (talk) 11:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

That's true and kind of an unfortunate coincidence. Do you have a recommendation? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It is unfortunate. Perhaps rewording the banner to emphasize the "Wikipedia Loves Women" and not focus on the hashtag #sheSaid? Cashew.wheel (talk) 17:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I see what you're saying. To be clear, this initiative works for Wikipedia, sure, but it's mainly about Wikiquote, a sister project to Wikipedia. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Indeed... in the meanwhile, I will add a mention at the top of the page... but yeah... it is about Wikiquote, not Wikipedia Anthere (talk) 16:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Dr. Hoàng Xuân Sính

I'd like to nominate Dr. Hoàng Xuân Sính, the first Vietnamese female mathematician, a student of Grothendieck, the founder of Thang Long University in Hanoi. --Fourier-Deligne Transgirl (talk) 12:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

If you'd like to include material about her in this campaign, you can find a source for quoting her and add that to one of the many editions of Wikiquote that exist. The English-language one is largest, but you are welcome to edit any of them and already have an account there with the same credentials that you used to post your message above. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

SheSaid 2022 - Any news?

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@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Alice Redhotroof:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:.

Dear all,

The #SheSaid campaign is still running till the 31st December 2022. I wanted to email you to get some updates:

1. Did you/ do you intend to organize an event? If yes, please share with us(photos, meta page, links..)
2. Do you have any specific questions? Do you need any help?
3. Did you have any challenges/ problems that you would like to report?

Hashtag #SheSaid

Please do not forget to use the hashtag #SheSaid while editing on Wikiquote. This is really VERY important as it allows tracking of articles created and modified.

Office Hour

Join the next office hour : The Wiki Loves Women team will be happy to answer all your questions during the next office hour, on Saturday, 26th November 2022 at 10am UTC+1. Link to join: https://meet.google.com/gkf-macg-hij

Communications and Social media

The Wiki Loves Women team is running a social media campaign (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), I hope that you have some time to take a look at it.

You can find all the visuals here, please feel free to share and use them. If you have a specific woman that you would like in your language, please let me know, I will create visuals for you.
Afek91 (talk) 13:53, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @Afek91, I nominated myself to add citation for Utada Hikaru, then my challenge is that to find the equivalent quote in Japanese language. I expected the workflow: (1) try machine translation and match for Utada's quote, (2) search online to target that translation, and (3) bingo! However, I am stacked with (1). I am not a French speaker, so maybe I shall drop self nomination on the Workboard, what do you think? Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 14:21, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Afek91, can you assist in creating a new language #SheSaid page ?

Also where can the visuals be used? Thank you.--Wuerzele (talk) 13:17, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Meeting SheSaid now

Saturday 26th. 10 am UTC+1. We will host on zoom. The link : https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89680421918 Anthere (talk) 09:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

So sorry I missed the cance: I was at my aunt's place, learning basketry a la moderne with newspaper inserts/advertisement flyers... Please take care, the weather has been getting chillier. Omotecho (talk) 11:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Question about this project

Hi everyone. I think this is a wonderful initiative and I definitely intend to spread the word about it on my blog. I just wanted to check and make sure that the goal of the project is to showcase actual women (adult human females, born females, without male genitalia)? I hate to have to clarify, but unfortunately there is already so much intrusion into women’s spaces by men masquerading as women that I feel it’s necessary. Thanks. Realwomenfirst (talk) 02:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

This project does not have any perspective on which kind of genitals someone has to have, therefore, you will not want to promote it on your blog. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:51, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Ho Koavf, if you mean to equate women such as myself with real concerns about the erosion of womanhood, rights, and sexuality with “genital fetishists,” perhaps you should think about how better to veil your personal attack. If it’s acceptable for you, for example, to refer to a lesbian’s lack of sexual attraction to men as a genital obsession, then would it be acceptable for me to refer to a transgender “lesbian” as an autogynephilic fetishist? Realwomenfirst (talk) 19:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

This isn't a forum for hateful conspiracy theories. I've answered your question, we're not getting into a debate here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:14, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Male ≠ man

Female ≠ woman

Intersex ≠ non-binary

Gender and sex are different things.

Trans men are men.

Trans women are women.

Trans women deserve to be recognized in the #SheSaid campaign just as much as cis women.

Also, non-binary people and intersex people also deserve to be recognized in similar Wikiquote campaigns. —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 09:09, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

That's just your opinion and that is not an opinion shared by the majority of people. As the OP stated, this initiative should be about people born as women.Xania (talk) 02:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Everything you just wrote was wrong. Who is it you think you're responding to, anyway? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

A link of interest

• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BBC_100_Women_in_2022 — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anthere (talk)

Comment Thank you, Anthere as ever, that list looks very very inspiring. I'd like to ask @Yupik to add ja and maybe zh for my friends. Will go and request (: --Omotecho (talk) 02:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both! I added ja and zh to the end of the table :) -Yupik (talk) 04:28, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

#SheSaid 2022, 13 days leftǃ

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Alice Redhotroof:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:.

Dear all,

13 days left until the end of the #SheSaid campaign, here are some numbers of the new articles created per language (till the 16th December 2022, it could include articles from the last year):

• Italian: 474
• Ukrainian: 261
• French: 62
• Spanish: 55
• English: 741
• Catalan: 8
• Bengali: 20
• Igbo: 219
• Bikol (bcl): 150
• Tagalog (tl): 995
• German (de): 12

We still can do moreǃ

Afek91 (talk) 11:52, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@Afek91 Hey. Can you checkArabic Wikiquote please. It seems no one there pay attention to the progress of the project and only seek to block your for an excuse. Check out my contributions there, but no one even thanked me. Did you expect me to take part in the campaign?! Ruwaym (talk) 23:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Final Italian results

The Italian campaign finished a half of hour ago (since 2020 we maintained the same start and finish dates, from October 20th to December 20th) and I am happy to bring to you the Italian community's results: 919 new articles and 293 improved. Happy hollidays ❄️☃️. Camelia (talk) 23:49, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

OMG. I am currently checking all languages. It does feel that you will be again the lead community !!! WOOHOO. But checking... Anthere (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Final results for 2022 !

I am dropping here the figures I could identify. Please fix my figures if I did a mistake !

Italian !

Italian : 919 new articles and 293 improved

Ukrainian !

Ukrainian : 347 new articles and 78 improved

Query New : 270

Query Improved : 83

French !

French : 89 created. 19 improved

Query New : 86

Query Improved : 17

Spanish !

Spanish : 124 created, 8 improved

Query New : 45

Query Improved : 8

English !

English : 863 created and 137 improved (+/- 50 ;))

Query New : 866

Query Improved : 137

Catalan !

Catalan : 13 created and 3 improved

Query New : 13

Query Improved : 3

Bengali !

Bengali : sorry, can’t read, please add :) It seems to be 6

Query New : 0

Query Improved : 2

Igbo !

Igbo : 219 created, 9 improved

Query New : 219

Query Improved : 9

Bikol !

Philippines : ? (after removal of imports)

Query New : 183

Query Improved : 252

Tagalog !

Philippines : ? (after removal of imports)

Query New : 1120

Query Improved : 394

German !

German : 10 created, 1 improved

Query New : 10

Query Improved : 1

Ok, thank for the updates :)

It looks like we are good figure wise. Afek is preparing some nice summary and communication stuff to disseminate (social media etc.). We did very well, so it will be nice to boost a bit about it ;) Anthere (talk) 15:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

New language project Esperanto was added

New language project Esperanto was added

https://eo.wikiquote.org/wiki/Projekto:SheSaid (in construction!)

The nunber 10 in the comunity SheSaid --Radioamatoro (talk) 06:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Is there a place to make bookmark and postcard suggestions?

Hello, this is my first post on this wiki, I saw the #SheSaid campaign on Wikiquote and was wondering if there is a place to discuss postcards and bookmarks? I was going to suggest women involved in early American comic books, specifically: Lauretta Bender, Elizabeth Holloway Marston and Olive Byrne (Rosalind Kirby has no Wikipedia page despite being one of the few women to ink comics at the time). I was also wondering what the consensus was regarding religious figures, whether there would be a sliding scale of acceptability according to historicity.
Sorry if this is the wrong place for this, I just wanted to help encourage participation and thought I might be able to assist in that. CensoredScribe (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

The SheSaid Campaign Returns! Join us for the 4th Edition.

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Alice Redhotroof:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:.

Dear all,

The #SheSaid 2023 affiche

I hope you are doing well and filled with excitement for the incredible journey ahead. I am thrilled to announce that the #SheSaid campaign is back for its highly anticipated 4th edition! After three successful years of empowering women and amplifying their voices, the Wiki Loves Women team is more inspired than ever to continue this remarkable journey together.

We are in the process of organizing this year's campaign, and your involvement would be instrumental in shaping its success. Accordingly, I am reaching out to kindly ask you if you plan to organize a local event and to provide you with important information.

Save the date!

This year, the campaign will run from October 1st to December 31st, 2023.

Mark your calendars because together, we will make a remarkable impact!

Grant Request

If you intend to organize a local event, you can apply for a grant to the Wikimedia Foundation before the 1st September 2023. In order to ensure a smooth and comprehensive grant application, we have devised this grant request template.

PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER THERE. If you are ready to submit your grant application, please fill out the Fluxx form.

The WLW team will host 3 office hours in August in different languages to help apply for the grant. Stay tuned for more information.

How to contact us?

If you have any questions, concerns, or ideas for the upcoming edition, please feel free to answer to this email or share them with us on:

• This talk meta page of the campaign
• The Wiki Loves Women social media accounts (Facebook, Twitter or Instagram)
• The GenderGap Telegram group

We are open to suggestions and eager to collaborate with you to make this edition of the SheSaid campaign truly exceptional.

For more information, please visit the SheSaid campaign 2023 meta page.

If you have any questions or need further clarification on any aspect of the grant application process, please do not hesitate to reach out to us. We are here to support you throughout the application and events planning stages.

Cheers!

Afek91 (talk) 22:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

On behalf of the WikiLovesWomen team

SheSaid 2023 Events in Nigeria

Greetings Fellow Wikimedian,

I am excited to announce that I will be organizing a SheSaid 2023 Event and editathon in Nigeria this year, with the aim of addressing the underrepresentation of women within Nigeria and beyond. To ensure the event aligns with regional needs, I have actively engaged my local communities and Wikimedia User Group Nigeria.

I am eager to collaborate with the global SheSaid team to enhance our impact. Your insights would be invaluable, particularly in the areas of recruitment strategies, training approaches, and follow-up support.

Your suggestions are highly valued as we work towards the success of this event and editathon in engaging women and improving Wikiquote's coverage of women

Thank you for your support, and I am enthusiastic about shaping an impactful event that uplifts women's voices.

Best regards, Ebubechukwu1 (talk) 08:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

#SheSaid Campaign - Launch of the 4th Edition.

Dear all,

@Nattes à chat:, @Koavf:, @Saroj Uprety:, @Shoodho:, @Yamen:, @Adoscam:, @Dfertileplain:, @Yasield and Yasield:, @Islahaddow:, @Camelia.boban:, @Omotecho:, @Shanluan:, @Sunday Tonics:, @Eunostos:, @Rosiestep:, @Сергій Липко:, @Joy Agyepong:, @Jaluj:, @Tiputini:, @Rina.sl:, @Shybetsky:, @CatonMA2:, @DaSupremo:, @Kunokuno:, @Mohibalvi:, @MaroBos:, @어떤 자유 사회도 말을 두려워해서는 안 된다:, @Prithee P:, @Brazal.dang:, @Malik2Mars:, @James Moore200:, @Bukky658:, @Ruwaym:, @Minorax:, @S.Faiza:, @Pellagia Njau:, @Jamex18:, @Ola.mahadi:, @Ballardmaize:, @Yhhue91:,

I hope this message finds you all in good health and high spirits. Since the commencement of the fourth edition of the  #SheSaid campaign, I wish to take this opportunity to share several key points with you. Before we proceed, I would like to extend an invitation for you to review the objectives of this year's campaign.

Add your information here

To enhance our ability to track all events and engage with various user groups and communities, kindly include information about your language, user group, or affiliate, along with details of your meta pages events and organizers here.

Office Hours

The Wiki Loves Women team will be hosting three office hours to provide guidance on editing on Wikiquote and utilizing dashboards for events in various languages. The specific dates for these sessions will be communicated shortly. If you require any specific training or assistance, please don't hesitate to inform us.

Useful links

• You can find all the new and old visuals on commons here. If you have a special quote that you want to be mentioned on social media, please email me, I will be happy to create social media visuals or share the canva templates.
• You can find here all the material (documents, videos..) explaining how to edit Wikiquote in different languages.
• If you have any questions or suggestions, you can add them to this page.

Social Media

Please make sure to share our posts on social media, and rest assured that we'll reciprocate by sharing yours as well!

Hashtags to use: #shesaid #WLW

Telegram Channel: join

Twitter: @WikiLovesWomen

Instagram: @WikiLovesWomen

Facebook: fb.com/WikiLovesWomen

Please make sure to incorporate the logos of 'Wiki Loves Women' and 'She Said' in your communications.

We look forward to hearing from you!

Best,

On behalf of the Wiki Loves Women Team
Afek91 (talk) 20:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

OK. Thank you.--Jalu (talk) 23:18, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Translation drive

Hello, wishing you a beautiful October, and I was looking around pages where campaign participants-to-be will read: like Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid, our homepage, is still waiting for you and put it readable in your mother tongue or that of your grandmothers (; Parts relevant to 2023 campaign has been updated, so kindly double check if your previous translation is fresh enough.

I also added tags to the 2023 campaign page, wow, a thank you so much providing a cabinet of treasures. @Ciell, am I too ambitious and have the page pushed for fuzzy, and the language box at the top allow us to translate mid-October? I guess Wikimedians in Japanese language are a bit in a slack due other businesses of their life demand.

While awaiting the fuzzy angels will do the magic and make that page open for translation tasks, congrats to our peers in Nigeria to gear up with rapid fund!

Say, of course, you need to “rest” your bread curd while having it rise, and all starts when you mix and kneard flour with salt and water for your share of nans, mantows and bread.

Holidays. In Japan, it’s the busiest season by the third week in October, for households with little ones: Sports Days and extended family might be tasked to video their little athletes. Then comes the Culture Day on November 3rd, the last of triplet (3 days) holiday for working ppl, when many plan to take a trip somewhere for autumnal cuisines and onsen. Chers, and golden October to you, wine or beer or sweet goodies! Omotecho (talk) 02:07, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello user:Omotecho ! I am a bit confused by the existence of this page I must say. Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid/Results and best practices 2023. I can not really figure out why we would have a Results and Best Practices page whilst the drive is only starting... this is odd. No ? in any cases, I marked that page for translation. Anthere (talk) 00:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anthere, hello dear,

I can't thank you enough to torelate my elbowing. Dōmo arigatō, Merci, Danke.

In Japan, we have a proverb "tamper the iron while it's red hot", and that's true to those who see the any banner propagating on their page, or whatsoever with /ja added at the URL. They will jump on it, if it's in banner/ja, but awful the banner does not show in the local language I am afraid. Then how can we involve them? Through links?

As a practitioner, I've seen ppl complain that banners are post but there is nothing they can contribute since the linked page is in en/fr/non-ja language bla, bla, bla...

It's easy to shrug your shoulders and walk away, and I find it very interesting or a big joke, as women have been treated as such at customers' counters at department stores or municipal offices. well, they say women talk women, a foreigner/alian language, you know (;

I admit I love Grand-mothering, or that request is my pay-forward: The jawp has braved to earmarked announcements posts with "(WMF)" tailing your username, and a bot just do the house cleaning and put them away from the Main Announment page; or ppl segregate those from Idobata/Village Pump at times, stack them into that stinky WMF bin/deposit. /:

Anyway, if those are not friends of WLW, who might complain at WLW banner, then maybe I am red-carpeting them too much? Well, at least, a complain will hint you to go and have a see, out of curiosity in our mental map on this island LoL Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 01:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi

As an Educator, I am ready to contributes to a more comprehensive and inclusive representation of women's experiences on this platforms. EduExplor (talk) 08:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for Assistance with Wikiquote Editing Workshop for "She Said" Campaign

Dear Wikiquote administrators,

@Ningauble @Ferien @Saroj @UDScott @Saroj @GreenMeansGo @Jusjih @Illegitimate Barrister

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing on behalf of the "She Said" campaign team, an initiative aimed at promoting women's voices and stories. As part of our upcoming series of training sessions in English, we are keen to include a workshop on how to edit and contribute to Wikiquote.

We kindly request your assistance in finding someone who can provide guidance and support for this workshop.

If you have a volunteer or contact who is knowledgeable in Wikiquote editing and is willing to help us, we would greatly appreciate it. Please provide us with their contact information so that we can get in touch to discuss the details and schedule of the workshop.

Your support will be instrumental in enhancing the effectiveness of our campaign, and we look forward to collaborating with the Wikiquote community.

Thank you. Afek91 (talk) 09:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Afek91: Sure. Zoom I assume? Also pinging @BD2412:. GMG^talk 10:53, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. Is Friday 13th at 4pm utc good for you? If yes please give me your email to send the zoom invitation.

Thank you again. Afek91 (talk) 12:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Afek91: No. I'll be travelling for work, and I'll be out until Monday. Today would have been a good day, since I'm off and have only a union meeting this afternoon. Tue, Wed, Thur, would work. GMG^talk 12:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm glad to help and have done workshops before. I have availability Thursday and Friday. Thursday afternoon is better. Friday afternoon would be good if we could be done by 4:30. Please ping me if needed! BD2412 T 15:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Can we make 2?

The first on friday 13th at 4:30pm utc

The second on tuesday 17th at 4pm utc?

If yes please send your emails to afek@wikiinafrica.org Afek91 (talk) 09:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Both times work for me (if I am correct in reading 4:30 pm UTC as 11:30 am EST, and so on). I will follow up by email as well. Cheers! BD2412 T 15:36, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Can someone validate my SheSaid Communities edits?

I noticed some inconsistencies and (more than minor) errors on the SheSaid Participating Communities 4th Edition page. I made some changes accordingly.

Next, I left an entry requesting that someone (with internationalization syntax knowledge) double check my edits for accuracy on the talk page. Given the lack of activity on that talk page over the past 3 years, I am posting my request here as well. Thank you!-- FeralOink (talk) 08:24, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for helping with those tags ! So the way it works is that you add the <translate> or </translate> around the text you want translated. However, you never add the code <!--T:167--> . This is generated automatically by the system when a translator administrator requests it. It should not be used by human beings... Anthere (talk) 00:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Here is a starting point to understand better how it works. Do not hesitate to read it, to try, and try again. We need more people capable of doing this right... Anthere (talk) 00:48, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Anthere! I like learning and using the translation syntax.

Um, did you intend to include a wikilink in your reply of 12 October 2023, "Here is a starting point to understand better..."?--FeralOink (talk) 10:46, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Knocking head against wall. Yes... indeed... I had looked for the link... and obviously forgot to copy paste it. Arg. Ok I go look for it again and will share it. Sorry about that. Anthere (talk) 20:13, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Got it... learning how to put translate banners. For I... the most useful page is this one :mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example Anthere (talk) 20:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Actually, no, it does not

Wikipedia most emphatically does not love women. One need only read a talk page to learn the truth.--2603:6011:1D00:4150:21CF:F6A5:2FDD:D475 20:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

How deep that thought was... may I offer you a tea ? Anthere (talk) 00:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

A seat for you with herb cakes and piles of twisted ones,[5] RSPV. -- Omotecho (talk) 01:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Ahahah. Licorice... let me propose one of my favorites of all times to you ! Anthere (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

#SheSaid Campaign - Webinars, how to edit Wikiquote?

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Dear all,

I hope this email finds you well. The Wiki Loves Women Team is excited to announce a series of webinars that will empower you to contribute to the #SheSaid campaign by editing Wikiquote in three different languages. This is a unique opportunity to make a positive impact on the representation of women's voices and their stories on Wikiquote.

French Webinars

First Webinar

• Date: Thursday, October 12th.

• Time: 4:00 PM UTC (your local time linked here)

• Location: via the Zoom link HERE

Second Webinar

• Date: Tuesday, October 31st.

• Time: 5:00 PM UTC (your local time linked here)

• Location: via the Zoom link HERE

English Webinars

First webinar:

• Date: Friday, October 13th.

• Time: 4:30 PM UTC (your local time linked here)

• Location: via the Google meet link HERE

Second webinar:

• Date: Tuesday, October 17th.

• Time: 4:00 PM UTC (your local time linked here)

• Location: via the Zoom link HERE

Arabic Webinar

• Date: Saturday, October 14th.

• Time: 4:00 PM UTC (your local time linked here)

• Location: via the Zoom link HERE

The #SheSaid campaign is underway, spanning from October 1st to December 31st, 2023. We invite you to join us here.

Cheers!

Afek91 (talk) 08:28, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

On behalf of the Wiki Loves Women Team

Can you please help me I'm lost

can you please help me I'm lost Mosa Matshogo (talk) 14:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Can you please be more specific ? Which language do you want to participate into ? Anthere (talk) 20:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Comment @Anthere, I welcomed them on user talkpage. I see User:Mosa Matshogo’s footprints , maybe very very new to wading the wiki waters. Omotecho (talk) 05:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Japanese UserGroup

Congratulations to user:Omotecho and the team for the creation of the Japanese Usergroup ! Anthere (talk) 22:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, with a bouquet of Sakura flowers🌸, the symbol on our emblem. Our hope is high as millennials speaking ja language are much free minded regarding your feminine or masculine inner being.❤️

Well, the reality is that team behind the UG is seen as a herd of black sheep yet, with white pigeons circling above them.

No wonder since the land of SONY 📺 and sushi 🍣 is where gender gap is the highest among the industrialized countries/regions. 🥲

Isn’t it a good push for #SheSaid initiative after all? 🤩 Omotecho (talk) 05:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes it is :) I have never been in Japan so never experienced it first hand. But I know from rumors that gender gap (and renewal of population ;)) is a serious matter in the land of SONY, sushi and Sakura. Anthere (talk) 08:23, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Black pot Ukhamba Zulu people South Africa 17022019 4883

Pot with Spout, 1000-300 BC, Japan. (Art Institute of Chicago - DSC00127)

African pottery and Japanese pre-historic beverage container, for our SheSaid celebration (:

Right... we in Japan are contributing to lesser global warming with dwindling population (; the archaeologists point out the room admission for this archipelago nation, so to speak, is 5 million (0.0), which made it self-sustained for over 30 millennia. Happy second full moon gazing weekend, -- Omotecho (talk) 17:54, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikiquote. Table content pages without wikilinks. 28.10.2023

Wikiquote. Table content pages without wikilinks. 28.10.2023

For work. Hello. It is important to make internal links in articles, otherwise they will not be counted in the official number of articles. There are especially many such articles in the Polish, French, Serbian, Bulgarian, Igbo, Tagalog, Sanskrit, Thai, Central Bikol sections. Сергій Липко (talk) 20:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Non Scholae sed Vitae Discimus”

We do not learn for school,but life teaches professor. In other words, learning is not solely for value but for life. #shesaid Gold Vibe (talk) 21:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

<3 True wisdom, thank you for the vibe ! Omotecho (talk) 09:06, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

#SheSaid 2023: 2eme Webinaire en Français

Bonjour à toutes et à tous,

J'espère que vous allez bien. J'ai le plaisir de vous informer que notre prochaine formation #SheSaid: Comment éditer Wikiquote? aura lieu mardi 31 octobre 2023 à 17h00 UTC. Vous pouvez nous rejoindre via ce lien Zoom. N'hésitez pas à partager l'information avec vos communautés.

Je voudrais également partager avec vous notre vidéo de lancement de la 4eme édition de #SheSaid et notre article diff. Cela pourrait vous inspirer si vous comptiez écrire quelque chose en français.

N'hésitez pas à me contacter en cas de besoin.

Amicalement! Afek91 (talk) 14:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Au nom de l'équipe Wiki Loves Women

SheSaid2023

Representing Telugu Wikipedia (India). Joined and began contributing to Wikiquote (Telugu). How to indicate that the work done in Telugu wikipedia in this context, belongs to this project. Means any tagline or category to be added to our pages or content created or added. Vjsuseela (talk) 09:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello User:Vjsuseela. You have two main options...

1. either you make sure to manually list them on the project page (in Telegu), one by one.
2. Or you make sure that the hashtag #shesaid is added at least once in the article edit history (in the comment box). Example here (you only need to add it once in fact).

When the hashtag is added, we can then run a query to have the full list of created and modified. See for example

• New #sheSaid articles query : https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/77023 on the English Wikiquote
• Improved #SheSaid articles query : https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/77024 on the English Wikiquote

All the queries are here. I see Telegu is missing. Please confirm me this exact language code and I will create the queries for you to track. Thanks Anthere (talk) 18:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@ Anthere

Thanks for noticing our contribution to Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid project. As indicated, we are adding hashtag #shesaid in the edit history. I forked the query 77023 and ran for Telugu. It retrieved 36 pages. (Please see - https://quarry.wmcloud.org/history/77991/821144/797050). I checked my pages few are missing from the list. I will check if the hashtag is missing in those pages. Suggest if any is needed. Vjsuseela (talk) 19:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

All my pages are now listed. Thanks.--Vjsuseela (talk) 09:24, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

October 2023 edits

@Anthere: In this edit, I would like to know why the statement "all good women say good quotes" was removed, and if such statements are against Meta's policies. —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 08:52, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

It is unrelated to meta. I removed it because I simply think it is not true. Let me be more specific here... it is not because a woman is awesome, that she said stuff which is awesome. Quotes to be added are not « any quote », it is not « anything they said and that sounds cool ». All wikiquotes have a rule that a quote needs to be « notable ». Did it had impact ? What is mentioned in the press ? Is that something people remember about ? Only those quotes should normally go into wikiquote. And sorry to say but no... not every notable women SAY something that is notable. Most probably do. But this is not always the case. Anthere (talk) 11:58, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Non-notable women can also say notable quotes, and vice-versa. I do agree that "notable" does not always mean "good", and vice-versa. By "good women", I mean good, ethical people who know what it means to be human. Voices of notable people may be heard, but voices of notable good people must be heard, and if any good people are not notable yet, efforts should be made to increase their notability, because good people deserve to be remembered for eternity. —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 11:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Accept her the way she is - women in tech

As she said, "In the dynamic world of technology, women are not just contributors; they are architects of innovation, shaping the future of the industry." These words encapsulate the essence of the invaluable role women play in the tech sector. As pioneers, innovators, and leaders, women continue to break barriers and challenge stereotypes, proving that the realm of technology is not exclusive but open to diverse talents and perspectives. Their contributions span across coding, artificial intelligence, cybersecurity, and beyond, bringing fresh insights and transformative ideas to the forefront. As she said, women in tech are not merely participants; they are essential agents of change, driving progress and ensuring that the tech landscape reflects the diversity and inclusivity that it deserves. Sidrasadafdmmexpert (talk) 11:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding to this efffort.

Greetings,

1) Do you want only quotes from women who have not yet been added to WikiQuotes? Or will additional quotes for those already there be acceptable?

2) How do I start a new WikiQuote page for someone who is not yet there? Is there a minimum number of quotes I would need?

3) When I sign into the other sister Wikis, my user name ends up in red, not blue. Am I supposed to join each Wiki separately? Or use different user names for each one? I admit to grand confusion.

4) You want a hashtag #SheSaid added to the edits. How do I add hashtags? I apologize for my dumb bunny-ness, and thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Wordreader,

1. The #SheSaid campaign consist of creating new articles of women on wikiquote by adding their quotes or improving the existing ones. Both work.
2. I would like to invite you to visit the recordings of our last webinars in Arabic, French and English, it might be helpful to learn how to edit Wikiquote.
   • #SheSaid English webinarː 13th October 2023
   • #SheSaid English webinarː 17th October 2023
   • #SheSaid Arabic webinarː 14th October 2023
   • #SheSaid French webinarː 31st October 2023
3. It is the same username for all the wikis, no need to create a new account for each project.
4. The hashtag #SheSaid needs to be in the summary which appears while you publish your edits. If you have any questions or need further information, please don't hesitate to join our webinar "How to edit Wikiquote?" on Wednesday 22nd November 2023 at 7ː00 pm UTC via this Zoom link.

Afek91 (talk) 10:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

My two cents

I looked through a couple of relevant talk pages and didn't really see anyone sharing this point of view, so I thought I'd go ahead and get it off my chest.

I think campaigns like this are embarrassing and I always roll my eyes whenever I see one.

Equality is a fine thing and it's a fine thing to promote. And I'm sure everyone who came up with this project had nothing but the most lovely intentions. But when you say "to promote equality, please write articles about only women", it does not make you look like you want equality at all. It makes you look incredibly biased.

The suggestion "write more articles about women" comes with the unspoken but necessary corollary "write less articles about people who aren't women".

This should not be the goal. The goal should be that we write articles about everyone, no matter what type of person they are.

Now, if some people want to write articles about only women because that's what interests them, that's fine. There's no issue there.

But every year, year after year, the site gets blasted with these banners telling everyone to write this way, as if it's some inherent good.

Additionally, the talk pages seem to be full of people who believe that there is some conspiracy or bias on Wikipedia against articles about women. Even entertaining an idea like this is silly. Does anyone really think that an editor ever sits down at their desk, writes up a big article about someone, finds all their sources, spellchecks it, and is about to post it when they realize it's about a woman and deletes the whole thing in disgust?

This scenario is ridiculous but hardly moreso than any other proposition that there is a wide-scale bias against women on Wikipedia of all websites.

I would be much happier with a banner that encouraged people to write articles about "underrepresented voices" etc. and let each editor draw their own meaning from that, whether it be women or victims of human trafficking or people who speak dying languages or anyone at all that they are inspired to write about.

This is all just my perspective on the project, but I can only imagine that there are plenty of other people who feel the same way but haven't shared their feelings yet. 2DLove (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

You voiced a similar topic in the 2022 campaign around International Women's Day. My 2 cents for you: please feel free to go ahead and create a campaign to address the issue you see, and find other people willing to team up and organize with you. "Underrepresented voices" might be a bit more of a challenge to explain its scope, but you seem like someone who likes a challenge. Because drives like SheSaid are not an either/or situation: while the numbers state clearly the gender gap in articles on the projects, there are numerous knowledge gaps on our projects that can be (should be) addressed. And even if you simply would want to do a "HeSaid" - please go ahead (just make sure you coordinate with the SheSaid organizers on the timing): it's a wiki! Imho the interesting thing about SheSaid is that it focuses on a different project than just "The Big 3", which is what makes it different from the yearly returning writing drives, or the annual big photo upload campaigns. It's nice to show people what more we have in store, and there can be something inspiring for everyone. Ciell (talk) 21:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I really hope that the underrepresented voices mentioned here include LGBTQ+ people, because they are often left out.

Many of those, who are LGBTQ+, are women (lesbian women, trans women, non-binary women, intersex women, etc.), and they are often ignored just because they are LGBTQ+, or their LGBTQ+ traits are ignored, and they are misrepresented as straight, cisgender, binary and/or endosex, when in reality many such people are gay, lesbian, transgender, non-binary and/or intersex. I have just started to make efforts for inclusion of LGBTQ+ people (editors, article subjects, Wikiquote candidates, etc.) on the English Wikipedia and Meta, but there has been very little consensus.

I hope I could do something I hope we could do something to create a momentum of creation of articles and entries on all wikis; emphasis on "we". I haven't been able to find people willing to do teamwork for inclusivity, but I hope I can do now.

I'm willing to create proposals for such campaigns on appropriate wikis, and Meta seems most suitable for these activities.

Many LGBTQ+ people have said famous quotes.

• 20 Powerful LGBT Quotes that made history
• Motivational Quotes From LGBT Activists

What should we call it? #TheySaid? —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 15:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@CrafterNova have you tried reaching out to the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group? It sounds like you'll find like-minded people there. Ciell (talk) 19:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I have started a discussion titled "#TheySaid Wikiquote campaign" on that talk page, and I hope that consensus will be reached. —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 02:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ciell: One thing that's really disappointing is that one has to look for "like-minded people" to work with in order to make a project successful, especially when Meta has very few LGBTQ+ editors and contributors.

Being LGBTQ+ is not a choice. LGBTQ+ traits are natural variations, because being LGBTQ+ is not unique to humans; many animals are also born LGBTQ+ (The Queer Zoo on JSTOR).

Projects shouldn't require like-mindedness, rather should require teamwork and resources to do what's ethical and reasonable, because like-mindedness is not absolute, but is ambiguous and has many meanings, whereas ethics and reasoning are absolute.

I had hoped that I wouldn't be told to go to spaces for LGBTQ+ people, as if LGBTQ+ contributors are not welcome here, when they should be welcome everywhere; in other words, all good people should be welcome everywhere, regardless of gender, sex, sexuality, race, ethnicity, profession, religion, age, height, diseases, etc. It is quite deflective and seems like pulling the "topic change card" when the topic can be discussed right here rather than telling people to "go look for like-minded people".

If Wikimedia projects are all about inclusivity and diversity, then we must own up to that mission, and make it successful. —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 06:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CrafterNova, it was not meant to offend, but merely sharing my personal experience from working on the Gendergap and LGBTQ+ projects. I am not part of the #SheSaid organizing team, and would not want to let your enthusiasm to organize similar things for LGBTQ+ die out, simply because your ideas might not fully resonate here, and it helps to unite with others that are interested in the same topic to get things done.

The share more of my experience: in the Netherlands we went from a monthly convene at the Women's archive in Amsterdam, to a monthly get together where the LGBTQ+ archive (also in Amsterdam) and the Women's archive host in alternating turns. Both our WikiProjects work in close collaboration because we are aware of the many cross overs they have, but both have their own specific topics and outreach. Ciell (talk) 18:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

=> and yes, they are still two different projects. We see crossovers in organizers and trainers, but only a few regular editors attend the meeting at both archives. In the case of Amsterdam we get a lot of one-timers attending the sessions we host, and it helps to tickle their brain if the topic of the meeting lies within their specific field of interest, or in their field of study. Ciell (talk) 18:15, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

We need those crossovers between feminist projects and LGBTQ+ projects to occur more often. These projects are much more fun when everyone is included. :) —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 19:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ciell: No offense taken. I appreciate the information you have shared. You don't have to join the #SheSaid organizing team; I would like you to ask them about whether #TheySaid campaign can be started, and how to collect funds for it, or invite them to this discussion.

I'm still new to #SheSaid, so I'm not in contact with anyone yet. But it would be motivational and a great pleasure to have this discussion with all of you. :) —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 18:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello user:CrafterNova. For what it takes... I would first insist that anyone should feel free to join, which ever gender they recognize themselves to be. If you want to make it your home, please feel free.
Second... I do understand your point about making it larger to include others than strictly speaking women. I can give a bit of explanation of how this happened to be because I proposed that project in the first place and I named it :) So if there is anyone to blame, there you go. So why... well... the #SheSaid initiative is part of the larger Wiki Loves Women program, which... has the name says it... is focused on women (rather than on LGBTQ+ topics). So it kinda made sense to keep the focus on women since the overarching program is about women.
You might then ask... but why did we create Wiki Loves Women initially, rather than Wiki Loves LGBT+ ? This is a fair question. There are two main answers really. First, I fully recognize the importance of LGBTQ+ issues and I am aware that this position us in a certain space, rather than another space. This choice was nevertheless deliberate, back in 2016 (when we launched WLW). We is... people from Wiki in Africa. In most cases, our programmes are focusing on the African continent (this is not the case of #shesaid... where we decided to have fun with people from everywhere). Back in 2016, we launched WLW in Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Ghana, and Cameroun. Well... working on LGBTQ+ topics in those 4 countries... is a VERY different story than working on them in France or the USA. See for example w:en:LGBT rights in Nigeria, or w:en:LGBT rights in Cameroon. Our program, funded by Goethe Institute, started with on the ground activities. The very thought of asking the new partner Goethe Institute to host events in Douala related to LGBTQ+, when, I quote In February 2021, two Cameroonian transgender women spent five months in prison after being arrested on February 8 for wearing women's clothing in a restaurant in the country's largest city, Douala. is... how to say... not an easy path ? In the meanwhile... I remember very well that one of the first topic we dealt with in Cameroon precisely... was violence against women, such as w:en:Breast ironing. Not an easy topic...
The second reason is that beyond the political and legal difficulties of working on LGBTQ+ issues in Africa, I believe it is best that initiatives related to LGBTQ+ issues be carried by people who recognize themselves in that group, AND who understand the issues fine. This is not my case (though I learned a lot from les sans pagEs ! and not the case of Isla. And I believe it is not the case of Afek. So our choice back then was to work on women. That was deliberate. Sorry.
That being said... if you look carefully... you will find from time to time entries about men in SheSaid. Just as you may find entries about transversal topics of interest. We will gladly welcome entries related to LGBTQ+ There is a LOT to do; no reason to shut the door in the face of anyone.
But the project is name « She » ... not They. For a French person (me), #TheySaid would actually encompass absolutely everyone. Which mean... this is Wikiquote.

PS: we could very well envision in the future to work on an LGBTQ+ topic. Within a partnership. Anthere (talk) 18:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Anthere: This may be off-topic, but I want to make it clear that sex and gender are different things.

Male ≠ man

Female ≠ woman

Intersex ≠ non-binary

• This is because sex and gender are different, which is evident from the fact that gender change is not real. There is no reliable source to prove the possibility of gender change, and there has never been any documentation or demonstration of gender change in history and science.
• However, sex change is real because sex can be changed by sex reassignment surgery, a kind of plastic surgery which significantly improves quality of life of trans people.

Off-topic content

Being born with a particular sex is not a choice, but sex is still not permanent. Trans men can get surgery to have male sex organs constructed by plastic surgery. Trans women can get surgery to have female sex organs constructed by plastic surgery, can have uterine transplants (risky, but is being improved by ongoing research; the earliest recorded example was Lili Elbe), and then become completely female. Fertility is not necessary for valid people to be accepted; infertile and sterile people are also valid, as long as they are ethical, good people. Good point. Thank you for sharing this clarification. Anthere (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Returning to the discussion:

Hence, it should be clear that many LGBTQ+ people are women, such as lesbian women, trans women, non-binary women, intersex women, etc. and all of them deserve to be included and represented in the #SheSaid campaign because of the fact that they are women, not because they are LGBTQ+.

The #SheSaid project can either include

• only women.
• or all females, including cis women, pre-operative trans men, post-operative trans women, non-binary females, and agender females (born without any gender).

I think that #SheSaid should include only women.

#SheSaid does have some entries of trans men, for example, Elliot Page. It should be clear that trans men are born men, and trans women are born women, hence Elliot Page is a man, was never a woman, and deserves to be represented in a separate LGBTQ+ project, which could be #TheySaid.

Another highly disappointing thing is that trans women are excluded just because they are male, or were previously male, but were born women, and have always been women. In fact, most LGBTQ+ women are excluded from this project just because they are LGBTQ+.

All other non-women LGBTQ+ people deserve to be represented in LGBTQ+ projects and campaigns.

References

—CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 05:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok... Let me state here that... beyond the « word » (she) used in the project name, absolutely no one, I repeat, no one is « excluded ». I know this will not be a perfect, nor even a good answer to you when it comes to address the concerns you raise. But that’s my best answer at *this* point in time. We shall not change the name of the initiative. There may be a #TheySaid initiative in the future, but right now... this is not it. Sorry. Anthere (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@Anthere: "he" means man; "she" means woman; and "they" means non-binary (one or more genders that is/are neither man nor woman) or agender (a permanent lack of gender by birth).

Here, "they" refers to singular they.

Many LGBTQ+ women use "she/they", that is, they use both "she" and "they", and should be included because they still use "she" nonetheless.

absolutely no one, I repeat, no one is « excluded ».

If nobody is excluded, then please give show any entries of LGBTQ+ women, including lesbian women (e.g. Tig Notaro), bisexual women (e.g. Stephanie Beatriz), trans women (e.g. Laura Jane Grace), non-binary women (e.g. Riley J. Dennis), and intersex women (e.g. Herculine Barbin).

We shall not change the name of the initiative.

I never asked to change the name of the #SheSaid initiative. It should remain as it is.

The main root word in the name of the initiative is the "she" pronoun. Hence, all women should be represented under the campaign, including LGBTQ+ women, because the "she" pronoun is used by all women.

The initiative does not have to be perfect. We don't even know what perfection looks like, because it is not possible.

I know that it is not possible to include every individual eligible for representation under such projects. It is especially difficult to include those who do not want to be represented under such projects, but we should at least try to include those who want to be represented under such projects.

We should strive to make projects as best as they can be, and promoting inclusivity seems to be one of the major requirements to make such projects successful. —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 18:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

#SheSaid23: Last Webinar & Key Notes.

Dear all,

I hope you are all doing well. The Wiki Loves Women Team is excited to invite you to the last webinar, "#SheSaid23: How to Edit Wikiquote".

Date: Wednesday, November 22nd

Time: 7:00 PM UTC

Zoom link: bit.ly/SheSaid23_Webinars

I would also like to share some important notes with you:

Extension of Campaign Deadline

I would like to inform you that, due to delayed grant responses, the team has decided to extend the campaign until January 15th.

Queries to track articles produced per language

To monitor our edits effectively, we've established three queries for each language: one for new articles, one for updated articles, and one to track edits from the last 15 days. You can view all the queries by clicking on this link. Additionally, for improved tracking of results, please include #SheSaid in the Summary section before publishing your Wikiquote article or edit.

For the incubator languages, we recommend utilizing this tool, which can assist in tracking edits.

Blog Posts

Embark on a blogging adventure to capture the essence of #SheSaid within communities. Craft your own narrative, and for inspiration, I'm pleased to share two engaging blog posts that showcase the impactful experiences within our network.

• #SheSaid: Honoring the Influence of Women and Their Impactful Quotes
• Empowering Through Words: Celebrating Women and Their Powerful Quotes

Previous SheSaid Webinars Recordings

The recordings of our past webinars in Arabic, French, and English are now available on our Wiki In Africa YouTube channel and can also be accessed through the #SheSaid Resources and Tools Meta page. Feel free to refer to them at your convenience.

We look forward to having you with us on Wednesday. If you have any questions or need further information, please don't hesitate to reach out.

Cheers,
Afek91 (talk) 10:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2023

Thando2007 (talk) 00:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC) Women are everything in the world and if it weren't for them there would've been no us